Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

[beachnut]

because it couldn't. Aluminum composite the plane was made of would burst into dust right at the point of impact. What else do you expect?

You are blasting another failed 911 truth believer! Don't you 911 truth followers have one single failed claim you can agree on? lol, you are debunked by another 911 truth follower.

This is classic 911 truth, crazy claims, debunking each other, oblivious to the fact they have no evidence, can't do the math, no engineering, no physics. 11 years of failure, on the road to eternal failure fueled by ignorance.

 

[waypastvne]

The shell of the plane and surely not the front part could travel through that wall at any speed. It's an illusion. You have been hypnotized.

This huge hunk of steel is in the fount part of the plane and it is significantly harder than the steel the columns were made of.

 

[Montag451]

because it couldn't. Aluminum composite the plane was made of would burst into dust right at the point of impact. What else do you expect?

Definitely not that.

Could you show us your calculations that would show that aluminum composites would burst into dust at impact?

First you will need some education, then buy yourself a calculator, crayons and paper.

Then you will have to do some things with numbers.

 

[Montag451]

You are blasting another failed 911 truth believer! Don't you 911 truth followers have one single failed claim you can agree on? lol, you are debunked by another 911 truth follower.

This is classic 911 truth, crazy claims, debunking each other, oblivious to the fact they have no evidence, can't do the math, no engineering, no physics. 11 years of failure, on the road to eternal failure fueled by ignorance.

Hey that sounds like I am a failed truther. I'm failure a lot of things but never been a truther

 

[Macgyver1968]

Beach was talking about atavisms.

 

[Mikeys]

Talk to people about that! not baseless and offensive claims pretending to represent 9/11 truth. No people - one plane? wow.
To the people who read; this guys claims have NOTHING to do with 911 truth which is based in well documented facts. Many of them.
Not baseless and offensive (!) assertions

Where are these well documented facts? All we have are circumstantial evidences and you suddenly come with facts.

 

[beachnut]

Beach was talking about atavisms.

Or he is on the road to eternal failure with me? ...

This huge hunk of steel is in the fount part of the plane and it is significantly harder than the steel the columns were made of.


http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af74/waypastvne/TrenJupiter.jpg

The WTC shell will not stop that stuff coming in at 590 mph with engines running. I don't think 911 truth has an appreciation for speed, or the velocity squared term in E=1/2mv².

 

[Mikeys]

Definitely not that.

Could you show us your calculations that would show that aluminum composites would burst into dust at impact?

what would it do then. Calculate.

 

[Montag451]

what would it do then. Calculate.

Your premise. Your proof.

Even so I will. When you have yours we can compare. How does that grab you? Seems fair. How about same time tomorrow?

 

[Robrob]

The shell of the plane and surely not the front part could travel through that wall at any speed. It's an illusion. You have been hypnotized.

because it couldn't. Aluminum composite the plane was made of would burst into dust right at the point of impact. What else do you expect?

 

[BrianH]

because it couldn't. Aluminum composite the plane was made of would burst into dust right at the point of impact. What else do you expect?

You mean massless dust, right? Presumably the other non-aluminum parts of the plane would also transmogrify into said dust?

 

[cjnewson88]

140,000kg @ 500mph = ~220ms

K.E = 1/2mv2 = (0.5x140,000) x (220x220) = 3,388,000,000 J

There's a start.

 

[Montag451]

Na... Bored

So fag packet calculation...
Tensile strength of aluminum 310 Mpa
Density of aluminum 2700 kg/m^3
mass of material in plane if it was all aluminum 30,000 kg (rough estimate if fully loaded plane is 150000kg)
This assumes a cube of aluminum to be approximately 11m^3 if solid aluminum
Dust I'm taking to be 1mm^3

Looks to be about 300GN

Or 300000000000 N

That's quite a lot of force

Taking the impact to be spread out over 0.2 seconds for the planes aluminium to fully compress at 240m/s this gives about 36 MN force for the impact. A factor of about 90000 times too small to break the aluminum present into 1mm^3 dust particles.

Also took worst case for the plane conditions, under estimating mass of plane, tensile strengths of all materials and took best case, over estimating compression in real world scenario and also assuming the wall could withstand the impact and all force went into the dustification. If I took best case for all we would be looking at at least many more times too little force. I even ignored the people and fuel and just took the amount need to dustify only the aluminum. Don't forget they must have been dustified too.

How's them potatoes for ya

Where's yours?

A lot of assumptions here but most of them are of the order.

 

[Robrob]

You mean massless dust, right? Presumably the other non-aluminum parts of the plane would also transmogrify into said dust?

So which is heavier, 900,000 pounds of aluminum aircraft or 900,000 pounds of aluminum dust?

 

[MIKILLINI]

I found this interesting video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG3uaQxc8uQ

In the beginning of the video they talk about how the exact same floors where the plane 'cookie-cutter impact' happened had been updated for fireproofing. Was it really fireproofing OR was it rigging of explosives?

Why are you asking us? Do your own research.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Here is evidence for the shadow cabal in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXBUyezfUOs

Notice first how the firefighter sweeps his arm down to indicate the exact timing for when the camera operator should start moving the camera to the left to exactly catch the explosion in the tower. The plane has been edited into the video later on with computer graphics. So both the firefighter here and the camera operator are members of the shadow cabal.

You're making statements that are easily recognizable to be ignorant. So either you're trolling or a disinfo agent.

 

[Corsair 115]

It was Flt 175, 277,580 pounds at impact, 125,908 kg, going 590 mph, 865 kph, impact energy of 2093 pounds of TNT; do you need that in Joules?

Maybe we should show him the math? Here's the equation for kinetic energy:

KE = ½mv²

That's half the mass in kilograms times the velocity in metres per second squared equals kinetic energy in joules.

American Airlines Flight 11 was a 767-200ER model, which has an empty operating weight of about 82,380 kg. The fuel on board at the time of impact was about 40,000 litres, which has a mass of about 32,160 kg. Adding that to the empty weight of the aircraft gives us 114,540 kg (this ignores the weight of the passengers, crew, and any baggage or cargo, and thus is a conservative estimate). The velocity at impact was about 748 km/h, or 207.8 metres per second. Plugging this into the formula we get:

0.5 * 114,540 * (207.8 * 207.8) = 2,472,437,815 joules.

united Airlines Flight 175 was a 767-200 model, which has an empty operating weight of about 80,130 kg. The fuel on board at the time of the impact was approximately 38,000 litres, which has a mass of about 30,552 kg. Adding that to the empty weight gives us a conservative total mass of roughly 110,682 kg (again, this ignores the weight of the crew, passengers, and any baggage or cargo, and thus is a conservative estimate). The velocity at impact was about 950 km/h. (You have the wrong metric conversion on that, beechnut.) Plugging those values in we get:

0.5 * 110,682 * (263.9 * 263.9) = 3,853,800,347 joules.

The standard conversion factor is that one tonne of TNT is equal to 4,200,000,000 joules. Applying this to our figures for each impact means the first was the equivalent to about 0.589 tonnes of TNT, or 588.7 kg (1,298 lbs), while the second was approximately 0.918 tonnes of TNT, or 917.6 kg (2,023 lbs).

Lastly, let's compare that energy in joules to that delivered by munitions in the U.S. military inventory. A Mk 84 bomb (2,000 lbs/907 kg nominal weight, of which 47% is the high explosives warhead) unleashes roughly 2,164,625,517 joules of energy when detonated. That means the impact of American Airlines 11 was equal to about 1.14 Mk 84 bomb strikes, and United Airlines 175 equal to about 1.78 Mk 84 bombs.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Here is a video showing no plane:

[qimg]http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3654/17184882.jpg[/qimg]

From: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLPeuJ4ni8U

The white flash visible in the center of the explosion is a time and position marker, not a missile as some truthers mistakingly have said. So this is not some 'editing out' of a real plane in the video. It's the actual event without a computer graphics plane edited in.

Why is that video only 3 seconds?

 

[MIKILLINI]

Eh, I think a moderator moved some of my posts. Or did I post in the wrong thread?

Anyway, here is an example of a witness not seeing a second plane: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAzzHjLYjuA

Anyway, here's a video of the 2nd plane...at about the 23 second mark.

http://youtu.be/fQuRbAs-JLQ

 

[MRC_Hans]

But I have read statements from Pilots for 9/11 Truth who say that it would be difficult to fly like that. Just the precise tilting of the wings, very similar for both impacts, seems like a hard thing to do at that speed for an inexperienced pilot.

Are you trying actively to look silly?

The tilting of the wings is not similar. The first one flew more or less straight and level. And what is difficult about tilting the wings? A plane has control surfaces for doing that. They are called ailerons. They are needed when you turn the plane.

Hans