Julian Assange: rapist or not?

[uke2se]

Many of your "pretext" dismissals, with their appeals to the authority of the law, are undermined by this minimization of what Sweden did, extralegally, under covert pressure from the US.

Nope, for a number of reasons already posted in this thread but mainly because of the fact that the people in government in Sweden now is not the same as the people in government in Sweden then.

The US regards itself as above the law*.

Well, you apparently think Assange is above the law, so I suppose that makes you equally irrational.

It is a rogue state, a very powerful one.

No. Just... no.

As with a convicted rapist, Sweden's collaboration with US criminal activity, a transnational orgy of abduction and torture, means it cannot be trusted for a very long time in any matter in which the US may want to manipulate it. The same goes for the UK.

In your extremely biased opinion. Thankfully rational people think differently.

 

[Alt+F4]

It is a rogue state, a very powerful one.

Yet I can't even get mail delivered to my address because those evil (very evil) government employees keep telling me that my house and address doesn't exist.

 

[BenBurch]

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Dream on.

Honestly I thought it would be more damaging before all of it was examined.

It did harm to US relations with other nations, but no real harm to US security.

It was a "meh".

Had it not been that, I would absolutely still want his head on a pike, but it looks like he failed even as an evil spymaster.

And he didn't even have a pretty white cat to pet...

 

[Alt+F4]

Perfect words Ben, "evil spymaster". I think Assange watched too many Austin Powers movies.

 

[UndercoverElephant]

Ron Paul speaks in support of Assange and Manning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LM20w0jHH8A#!

 

[WildCat]

Ron Paul speaks in support of Assange and Manning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LM20w0jHH8A#!

Ron Paul lol!

I'm sure the support of one of the biggest loons in Congress will be of great comfort to Manning as he rots in prison.

 

[uke2se]

Ron Paul lol!

I'm sure the support of one of the biggest loons in Congress will be of great comfort to Manning as he rots in prison.

Ron Paul is simply another sign this is nothing but another conspiracy theory with no evidence.

BTW, Paul is a climate change denier. UE should hate his guts.

 

[WildCat]

Ron Paul is simply another sign this is nothing but another conspiracy theory with no evidence.

BTW, Paul is a climate change denier. UE should hate his guts.

Paul is also a religious nutter who thinks states should be able to establish an official religion, ban abortions, and he hobnobs with white supremacists like the Blacks.

Among many other things...

 

[Joey McGee]

Like thinking evolution is just a theory! Ron Paul going to bat for Assange is as helpful as Donald Trump sticking up for Jerome Corsi. Sweet joke!

 

[Here_to_learn]

As with a convicted rapist, Sweden's collaboration with US criminal activity, a transnational orgy of abduction and torture, means it cannot be trusted for a very long time in any matter in which the US may want to manipulate it. The same goes for the UK.

Just so that I understand - do you mean that Sweden will be manipulated in the future, or do you mean that the manipulation has already happened?

If the latter, at what stage did the manipulation start, or which of these shows sign of manipulation?

* The two women?
* The first prosecutor?
* The legal counsel for the women?
* The third prosecutor?
* Stockholms Tingsrätt?
* Svea Hovrätt?
* Magistrates Court?
* High Court?
* Supreme Court?
* UK Police?
* UK Secretary of State?

(* And of course - posters at JREF)

 

[UndercoverElephant]

Ron Paul lol!

I'm sure the support of one of the biggest loons in Congress will be of great comfort to Manning as he rots in prison.

Just out of interest...why do you think Ron Paul is a loon?

[remember, I'm a English green-leftie who views the US as general crazy and the Republicans as generally crazier]

From my perspective, Ron Paul defends the truth as he understands it, without compromise. I respect this. I also respected it in Margaret Thatcher, whose influence on British history I am very sad about.

 

[UndercoverElephant]

Ron Paul is simply another sign this is nothing but another conspiracy theory with no evidence.

BTW, Paul is a climate change denier. UE should hate his guts.

I wasn't aware of his views on climate change, and I'm afraid he is sadly mistaken on that topic. He is politically about as far away as he could be from where I am, but I think he is very honest for a politician.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

No. Just... no.

Are you asserting that the USA is not powerful? That's pretty crazy. I only raise the possibility because asserting that the USA isn't a rogue state is even crazier.

 

[uke2se]

Are you asserting that the USA is not powerful? That's pretty crazy. I only raise the possibility because asserting that the USA isn't a rogue state is even crazier.

This is what we're up against, it seems. Complete fantasy.

 

[theprestige]

Are you asserting that the USA is not powerful? That's pretty crazy. I only raise the possibility because asserting that the USA isn't a rogue state is even crazier.

I think he's asserting that "the USA is a powerful rogue state..." is not a valid predicate to
"... so we should seriously consider whether they trumped up a Swedish rape case against Julian Assange."

Any more than it's a valid predicate to "... so we should seriously consider whether they faked the Apollo Project" or "... so we should seriously consider whether the Lance Armstrong doping scandal is a false flag operation to discredit European-dominated international pro cycling".

 

[Silhouette]

I wasn't aware of his views on climate change, and I'm afraid he is sadly mistaken on that topic. He is politically about as far away as he could be from where I am, but I think he is very honest for a politician.

He isn't very honest about his newsletters. He denies writing the content for them, he denies knowing exactly who did write the content if not himself, and he denies reading and approving the content of his newsletters despite publishing them under his name. If you are unaware, his newsletters are controversial because of their racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic content.

 

[WildCat]

Just out of interest...why do you think Ron Paul is a loon?

[remember, I'm a English green-leftie who views the US as general crazy and the Republicans as generally crazier]

Ron Paul is a paleoconservative. Did you miss where he hobnobs with white supremacists like Stormfront founders the Blacks? He thinks states should be able to outlaw abortion? Would repeal the Civil Rights Act? Thinks a gold standard is a viable monetary system? Thinks states should be allowed to establish a religion? Thinks Evolution is "just a theory"? Then there's all those racist newsletters he put out for years.

Etc etc.

I get the feeling you know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul, you just like him because he's also an isolationist and ignore all his other heavy baggage. He certainly espouses many of the views you think 9/11 was justified over. He certainly didn't support the Kyoto Treaty, and it's inconceivable he'd ever support any environmental regulation.

Are you sure he's your guy?

 

[tsig]

Just so that I understand - do you mean that Sweden will be manipulated in the future, or do you mean that the manipulation has already happened?

If the latter, at what stage did the manipulation start, or which of these shows sign of manipulation?

* The two women?
* The first prosecutor?
* The legal counsel for the women?
* The third prosecutor?
* Stockholms Tingsrätt?
* Svea Hovrätt?
* Magistrates Court?
* High Court?
* Supreme Court?
* UK Police?
* UK Secretary of State?

(* And of course - posters at JREF;))

If I can get the Swedish Bikini Team I'd be up for a little manipulation.

 

[trustbutverify]

He isn't very honest about his newsletters. He denies writing the content for them, he denies knowing exactly who did write the content if not himself, and he denies reading and approving the content of his newsletters despite publishing them under his name. If you are unaware, his newsletters are controversial because of their racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic content.

And, IIRC, those newsletters were published by two close friends and associates, one of which was his campaign manager. The reason for the newsletter content concerned Paul's attempt to court support of the blindingly racist and bigoted "militia" crowd. His excuses are pathetic.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Bwahahahahahahaha!

Dream on.

So what was the most damaging leaked material in US history according to you?

While we are waiting, why not listen to what Daniel Ellsberg has to say about the latest developments in the Assange saga...