Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[LSSBB]

Anyone who claims the document is an authentic copy without having seen the original, has no business debating the subject.

Anyone who claims the document is not an authentic copy without having seen the original, has no business debating the subject.

 

[Robert Prey]

Why was an Acrobat document opened in Illustrator?

Elaborate the difference between interpretation which occur between Acrobat, illustrator, Photoshop, In-Design, and Quark.

Why are those all different?

Why do they construct layers differently?

Prove the copy is an exact copy of the original, or forever hold your peace.

 

[LSSBB]

Prove the copy is an exact copy of the original, or forever hold your peace.

Why does he have to?

 

[Straw Man]

Without the original, no one can make any claims.

The State of Hawaii, you know, the folks who issued it and hold the original record have claimed that the Birth Certificate is genuine.

Are their claims not true? If so, why is the reason for this?

 

[Robert Prey]

What makes you say that? It has been certified authentic by the issuing authority. You're the one telling us you have evidence that Hawaii's certification is fraudulent. Claims of fraud and forgery always have the burden of proof, which you accepted at the beginning of your participation. Why have you suddenly decided you no longer have that burden?

Prima facie evidence is not absolute proof, but it is probable cause. Now produce the original, or admit you have no case.

 

[Robert Prey]

Very well.

Read and digest this.
When you have understood the PLRM, you may move on to this.

Only when you have a demonstrated understanding of both may you venture an opinion in any way.

Otherwise your opinion is without value.

One of my rules is, I don't venture down someone's suggested cyber bunny trail unless that poster first makes a point. Do you have a point?

 

[LSSBB]

Prima facie evidence is not absolute proof, but it is probable cause. Now produce the original, or admit you have no case.

It's your burden of proof, my friend.

Your.

Burden.

Of.

Proof.

 

[Chaos]

Without the original, no one can make any claims.

So what are you doing, making claims? Do you have the original?

 

[Robert Prey]

Correct. I have relied upon my own training and experience in computer science and my prior experience with Adobe file formats. I don't need to Google random quotes. You haven't been able to address a single argument I've made. You side-step them with broad, sweeping dismissals.

I don't think you've made any arguments. You merely engage in pointless technical rhetoric which in the end proves nothing about the validity of the COLB.

 

[TjW]

Without the original, no one can make any claims.

Then since you don't have the original, why are you making a claim that it is a forgery?

 

[Straw Man]

One of my rules is, I don't venture down someone's suggested cyber bunny trail unless that poster first makes a point. Do you have a point?refuse to look at any valid points that could end up with a bigger hole that a bus could drive through

ftfy, Robert

 

[Robert Prey]

The State of Hawaii, you know, the folks who issued it and hold the original record have claimed that the Birth Certificate is genuine.

Are their claims not true? If so, why is the reason for this?

Sheriff Arpaio's people asked the Hawaii officials point blank if the COLB was an authentic copy and they refused to answer.

 

[Robrob]

Anyone who claims the document is an authentic copy without having seen the original, has no business debating the subject.

Anyone who claims the document is not an authentic copy without having seen the original, has no business debating the subject.

Prove the copy is an exact copy of the original, or forever hold your peace.

Prove the copy is not an exact copy of the original, or forever hold your peace

Sheriff Arpaio's people asked the Hawaii officials point blank if the COLB was an authentic copy and they refused to answer.

Link?

 

[Straw Man]

Sheriff Arpaio's people asked the Hawaii officials point blank if the COLB was an authentic copy and they refused to answer.

Reference, please.

 

[Ladewig]

Prima facie evidence is not absolute proof, but it is probable cause. Now produce the original, or admit you have no case.

Yes. We want to see the original, because we are certain that the CIA, the FBI, the U.S. Treasury, and the Hawaiian government conspiring over a period of three years could not come anywhere close to producing something that looked like an original document. Birth certificates from 1961 were so magical that even today we don't have the resources to construct something that looks like of them.

It is time for the crazy people to stand up and be counted - SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

 

[Border Reiver]

The fact that the issuing state has not released the original.

And they won't for the privacy law reasons already stated.

And doing so is pointless, since they have certified that the copy available online doing so is also pointless.

 

[abaddon]

One of my rules is, I don't venture down someone's suggested cyber bunny trail unless that poster first makes a point. Do you have a point?

It is a language reference. If you are unable to understand it, then you are in no position to question the provenance of any PDF document from any source. I deliberately chose the PLRM as it is more understandable to the layman, but you refuse to aspire to such giddy heights.

 

[A'isha]

Sheriff Arpaio's people asked the Hawaii officials point blank if the COLB was an authentic copy and they refused to answer.

Sheriff Arpaio's people did no such thing.

Prove the copy is an exact copy of the original, or forever hold your peace.

The State of Hawaii has already done that.

The fact that the issuing state has not released the original.

That would kind of wreck the entire recordkeeping system. There's a reason no state, anywhere, ever issues or releases the originals, you know.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Without the original, no one can make any claims.

What is it that you think you're doing, then?

 

[Robert Prey]

Sheriff Arpaio's people did no such thing.



The State of Hawaii has already done that.



That would kind of wreck the entire recordkeeping system. There's a reason no state, anywhere, ever issues or releases the originals, you know.

Nonsense. With O's permission, they would have do it. But why does O even have to do that? If he was born there, he surely has his own copy. Why not simply make a copy of his own original??????? The answer is too obvious.