Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

dafydd said:
If you never learned physics then why you do feel qualified to make judgements about a plane crash? Equations have been posted here. If you never studied physics then how can you hope to understand them?
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I feel as much qualified as you.

When you reread this thread you will see most posters wait before giving an opinion and as the thread goes they carefully fill in the blanks when the answer seems a safer bet. They forget that no answer on time is also an answer.
 
beachnut said:
The entire plane was destroyed, but the mass continued and took other mass and accelerated it out the windows, all over the building, damaged 10 core columns, killed many people, and spread jet fuel all over, 66,000 gallons of jet fuel going 590 mph.

Which comes to the point? Why are you showing you don't do physics? What is your point? It does not matter if the entire plane crushes into a mass of parts and jet fuel, that mass is not stopping at the exterior of the WTC, it will pass through the exterior, damage the core and some parts with leave the building and land on the street, a block or two away.
What is your big picture besides destroying physics? Are you a no planer?

Did you find the Al bullets?
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As was pointed out in the link I posted to the Empire State Building crash, but that was ignored, of course.
 
Mikeys said:
I feel as much qualified as you.
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What's depressing about your responses is that you will allow that a hand can break roof tiles, that a lead bullet can pentrate steel plate, that a rubber ball can penetrate glass .... yet you resist the idea that aluminium can break steel columns.

Uh? Why?? Please explain. No physics required - just what is the fundamental difference? The steel is really hard? Especially big?

Has anyone mentioned yet that water jets can happily cut steel? As long as the water is travelling fast enough?
 
Mikeys said:
so you finally are going to admit the front part of the plane was destroyed on impact or you need some more foreplay?
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What are you talking about "admitting". I'm sure the nose of the plane did it's best but, this is only a minuscule part of the equation.

Do you really want to talk science with me? Think blind man (you) with a sword against a mad man with an uzi.

I'll debate you any time.
 
Anders Lindman said:
Even if the planes were real, and I don't think they were, but let's assume that, then that would not have been enough to bring the towers down. So they had to use thermite, plus in some way make the steel columns collapse such as with shape charges or something like that.

The shadow cabal didn't have to come up with 3,000 victims. They could just let the media and the government etc fake the victims since they were forced to do a coverup because the public firmly believed the event as it was first presented by the media. To tell the truth after that would have made the authorities, like the Presidency and mainstream media and so on, lose all credibility leading to a collapse of the entire society, with the public filing thousands of class action lawsuits.
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I believe your typing ability has overrun your thinking ability.
 
Mikeys said:
You need to realize that planes shells are made of stuff that is not much harder than fiberglass or Kevlar or wood. The best thing aluminum alloy offers is flexibility, but not strength in any meaningful ratio.
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Hmmmm
That's funny. I just back from mountain biking on my aluminum hardtail mountain bike. With 100's of miles so far on it of hard trail riding and jumps you'd think that weakness would have shown itself by now... :rolleyes:
 
Justin39640 said:
Hmmmm
That's funny. I just back from mountain biking on my aluminum hardtail mountain bike. With 100's of miles so far on it of hard trail riding and jumps you'd think that weakness would have shown itself by now... :rolleyes:
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OK, post a video of you walking after a hard ride. Wait, were you talking about the bike? :)
 
Justin39640 said:
Hmmmm
That's funny. I just back from mountain biking on my aluminum hardtail mountain bike. With 100's of miles so far on it of hard trail riding and jumps you'd think that weakness would have shown itself by now... :rolleyes:
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Are the rocks you ride over harder than the rubber of the tyres? If not, you're making a tragic mistake and need to upgrade to titanium tyres.

It's what the Tour de France riders use, you know, what with all that tough ol' tarmac and cobbles and all !
 
Justin39640 said:
Hmmmm
That's funny. I just back from mountain biking on my aluminum hardtail mountain bike. With 100's of miles so far on it of hard trail riding and jumps you'd think that weakness would have shown itself by now... :rolleyes:
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Your aluminum foil bike? How did you survive. Don't tell him they make ammunition out of Al alloys, like aircraft use.
 
GlennB said:
What's depressing about your responses is that you will allow that a hand can break roof tiles, that a lead bullet can pentrate steel plate, that a rubber ball can penetrate glass .... yet you resist the idea that aluminium can break steel columns.

Uh? Why?? Please explain. No physics required - just what is the fundamental difference? The steel is really hard? Especially big?

Has anyone mentioned yet that water jets can happily cut steel? As long as the water is travelling fast enough?
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There are no aluminum bullets, let alone hollow aluminum shells traveling at 600mph and cutting steel. Bullets are made of 4 times heavier lead or copper and are solids. Their velocity is much higher either. You try imagine an army equipped with guns firing hollow aluminum shells. We should perhaps rethink military priorities. And as we are at it, why not redesign building industry to follow revelation science gathered from 911. Demolition projects of big steel buildings can also be reduced to just lighting a match and then going for lunch. The whole thing will collapse neatly in a couple of hours.

Water jets use abrasive chemicals mixes. Water alone will not cut it. And constant pressure is applied.
 
Mikeys said:
There are no aluminum bullets, let alone hollow aluminum shells traveling at 600mph and cutting steel. Bullets are made of 4 times heavier lead or copper and are solids. Their velocity is much higher either. You try imagine an army equipped with guns firing hollow aluminum shells. We should perhaps rethink military priorities. And as we are at it, why not redesign building industry to follow revelation science gathered from 911. Demolition projects of big steel buildings can also be reduced to just lighting a match and then going for lunch. The whole thing will collapse neatly in a couple of hours.

Water jets use abrasive chemicals mixes. Water alone will not cut it. And constant pressure is applied.
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So show us the math that an aircraft does not have the capacity to do what it appeared to have done. You can do this, right?

Did you take (and pass) physics in high school (that's all the education it would take)?
 
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Mikeys said:
I can't I am just a pony. You claim in every other post you are scientists. If I were one I wouldn't be waiting and instead plugged the the numbers to save the bow. I can not wait to see this miracle.
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What's this bow thing?
 
Mikeys said:
Ok, replace foil with shell and bow with nose and focus on the actual miracle.
I have forgotten the physics I have never learned in school and can not plug the numbers without extensive research. However, if someone who constantly claim is above me in physics is welcome to do so. Otherwise I will take it as an empty claim.
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If you don't know physics how will you be able to judge the answer?
 
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