Moderated Will the 2012 Olympic Games in London be held?

[dafydd]

20120830.0330

@Jack by the hedge, #3923

I am not for “the violent destruction of billions of ordinary people”. I am just sharing to you what I heard from the spirit we (plural) talk to. And what he says is most of the time can be authenticated by what have been written, e.g. the Holy Bible, accounts of Flavius Josephus, etc. I sharing to you what man will do to his fellowmen. It is man’s time now. He can do whatever he likes. He may not even believe in the only true God who gave him his life. But when he leaves his physical body and goes to the spiritual world, there will be no time to repent. It will be God’s time and He will settle account. On Judgment Day, all of us will receive our sentence if we go to either Heaven or Hell.

Yes, man will become “... barbaric and completely idiotic ... how evil and retarded that idea is”. Why? Because man does not know who the only true God is.

Have you heard what the only true God did in Egypt during the time of Moses? Have you heard what the only true God did to the almost a million Israelites in the dry and barren Sinai Peninsula for forty years? Man should have faith in the only true God. Whatever sufferings there may be, leave them to the only true God.

Should we clamor for higher wages? We have to learn to pray to the only true God that we will be able to cope with the rising prices. Learn to bear sufferings. Learn to tighten our belts.

Is there nothing to talk about except to step on the head of someone else’s? Why do we have to say bad words against our fellowmen? Can we not say good things about a person? We have to remember that we are all equal. And the only true God is in each of us. What we do to our fellowmen, we did that to the only true God.

There are no gods.

 

[gabeygoat]

20120830.0330


Have you heard what the only true God did in Egypt during the time of Moses?

Yes, he murdered a bunch of innocent children. That doesn't make me want to worship him.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

This is all quite beside the point, because the prediction about WWIII was completely false.
The whole story about Reneliniyindi and her tragic wedding is false and the audios I've heard really sound like a typical false medium.


No, PC.
You cannot believe God is behind that foolish story about Reneliniyindi.
Or the non-existent Angelina Imden.
Or the fictitious St Evangelina.

20120830.0440

@pakeha, #3925

I have been revealing to you what Ama said. I have been relating to you what my experiences are with Ama. It is up to you to believe him or not. It is good that you can be of help in discerning truth from falsehood. I do not take everything he says as true ‘hook, line, and sinker’. My belief? A non-denomination Christian. I do not even belong to any particular church. I just pick up what will be good for my soul and discard what is evil. Until I can prove something is true, or logically true, I just say that that is what I heard and learned from Ama. Let us check out if the claim is true or not.

For example, Ama revealed that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17 which I first heard from old members in 1983. I only had time to check them from 1999 to 2006. Prior to 1999, I just say that a spirit says about the May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus. Now, I can say that Jesus was really born on May 23. The year? 33 BC. Now, I can also say that Jesus died on August 17. The year? 1 BC. He was only 32 solar years old when He died. Ama revealed the dates and I have proven that they are true and correct.

I have told you about “langkap” and “lakip” which I realized recently. An evil spirit will “langkap” because the spirit of the owner has to be in his physical body. A good spirit will “lakip” even if the spirit of the owner of the house is not in his physical body. The body is appropriated by the good spirit. To me, this is logically correct.

There is no proof yet of the existence of Reneliniyindi. Until I get a confirmation of her existence, she will remain to be what Ama says. Same with Angelina Imden. But one thing certain is that I myself was able to talk to Angelina Imden in the 1990s, tape-recorded.

Although World War III did not start during the 2012 Olympic Games in London, I still believe that it will happen. Ama said about it often. And what is to be written has already been written. What’s the purpose of nations stockpiling nuclear weapons? One day, they will be used, won’t they?

 

[dafydd]

20120830.0440

@pakeha, #3925

I have been revealing to you what Ama said. I have been relating to you what my experiences are with Ama. It is up to you to believe him or not. It is good that you can be of help in discerning truth from falsehood. I do not take everything he says as true ‘hook, line, and sinker’. My belief? A non-denomination Christian. I do not even belong to any particular church. I just pick up what will be good for my soul and discard what is evil. Until I can prove something is true, or logically true, I just say that that is what I heard and learned from Ama. Let us check out if the claim is true or not.

For example, Ama revealed that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17 which I first heard from old members in 1983. I only had time to check them from 1999 to 2006. Prior to 1999, I just say that a spirit says about the May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus. Now, I can say that Jesus was really born on May 23. The year? 33 BC. Now, I can also say that Jesus died on August 17. The year? 1 BC. He was only 32 solar years old when He died. Ama revealed the dates and I have proven that they are true and correct.

I have told you about “langkap” and “lakip” which I realized recently. An evil spirit will “langkap” because the spirit of the owner has to be in his physical body. A good spirit will “lakip” even if the spirit of the owner of the house is not in his physical body. The body is appropriated by the good spirit. To me, this is logically correct.

There is no proof yet of the existence of Reneliniyindi. Until I get a confirmation of her existence, she will remain to be what Ama says. Same with Angelina Imden. But one thing certain is that I myself was able to talk to Angelina Imden in the 1990s, tape-recorded.

Although World War III did not start during the 2012 Olympic Games in London, I still believe that it will happen. Ama said about it often. And what is to be written has already been written. What’s the purpose of nations stockpiling nuclear weapons? One day, they will be used, won’t they?

On ignore you go. You are deaf to all arguments.

 

[carlitos]

20120830.0300

@carlitos, #3921

I started to make this post at 3:00am of 2012-08-30 (the time at my time zone). I may not post immediately because I may do something else in front or out of the computer. And when I am back, I may have to re-read my post and continue completing it. Then I re-read before posting it.

You see, what I post may be used against me – my own words from my PC. So I take caution especially here at James Randi Educational Foundation forums where people are too critical even with a paragraph, a sentence, or even a word.

Well, thanks for answering. Why do you think anyone here cares what time you start typing a post, though? The time / date appears in all of our posts automatically.

 

[Mojo]

I am not for “the violent destruction of billions of ordinary people”.

You aren't? Only a few posts back you were describing the possibility that it still might happen as your "one consolation".

 

[godless dave]

20120830.0440

For example, Ama revealed that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17 which I first heard from old members in 1983. I only had time to check them from 1999 to 2006. Prior to 1999, I just say that a spirit says about the May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus. Now, I can say that Jesus was really born on May 23. The year? 33 BC. Now, I can also say that Jesus died on August 17. The year? 1 BC. He was only 32 solar years old when He died. Ama revealed the dates and I have proven that they are true and correct.

You have? Care to share this proof?

 

[George 152]

20120830.0300



You see, what I post may be used against me – my own words from my PC. So I take caution especially here at James Randi Educational Foundation forums where people are too critical even with a paragraph, a sentence, or even a word.

Doesn't that tell you something ?

 

[fromdownunder]

On ignore you go. You are deaf to all arguments.

The truth is that this thread died as the Olympic Opening Ceremony was starting. PC still believes everything that his old Witch Doctor says and is completely immune to rational evidence. And pretty innocent of life.

And if he wishes to spend what is left of his life tilting at windmills, I really don't care. It's his "life", and he can waste it as he sees fit. And if some of it is spent amusing others with posts about non existent people and false prophesies, well, meh....

Norm

 

[pakeha]

...I have been revealing to you what Ama said. I have been relating to you what my experiences are with Ama. It is up to you to believe him or not. ... Let us check out if the claim is true or not.

We have.
Remember where the names of Reneliniyindi's parents come from?
Remember the tragic story of her wedding Philip I is fiction?
Remember there is no St. Evangeline?
This is all the effluvia of a crude farse.

...For example, Ama revealed that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17 which I first heard from old members in 1983. ... Ama revealed the dates and I have proven that they are true and correct.

PC, your calculations depend on twisting history around so brutally that it takes my breath away.

I have told you about “langkap” and “lakip” which I realized recently. ...

This is a belief, not a fact.

...There is no proof yet of the existence of Reneliniyindi. Until I get a confirmation of her existence, she will remain to be what Ama says. Same with Angelina Imden. But one thing certain is that I myself was able to talk to Angelina Imden in the 1990s, tape-recorded.

You spoke to this person face to face? By telephone?

 

[hurdygurdy]

You aren't? Only a few posts back you were describing the possibility that it still might happen as your "one consolation".

He also said he was "devastated" when the prophecy of the WWIII failed.

 

[Astreja]

You see, what I post may be used against me – my own words from my PC. So I take caution especially here at James Randi Educational Foundation forums where people are too critical even with a paragraph, a sentence, or even a word.

Aristeo, we are talking about the prospect of a devastating worldwide nuclear war here. We have every right to be critical of what you have posted here. In fact, I assert that the stakes are so high that we can't be critical enough in this regard.

Imagine yourself standing in line at the supermarket with two other people. A stranger comes along and announces that two of you are going to die horrible deaths sometime in the next month or two. On a Wednesday, in fact.

How would that make you feel?

Fast forward several weeks. The same person again runs into the three of you at the supermarket, and announces that he's disappointed that two of you are still alive, but goes on to say that he's consoled by the fact that you'll be dead soon.

Now how do you feel? The natural reaction to such a callous pronouncement is outrage, and that's what you're getting from us here.

This has nothing to do with China versus the Philippines, fighting over an island with nuclear weapons.

It also has nothing to do with manipulative crones writhing on the floor and farting out prophesies from under bedsheets, or nonexistent Egyptian "princesses" with names that sound suspiciously like Tagalog, or a lady who's collecting corpses like baseball cards.

It has everything to do with real, live people -- Over 4 billion of them -- who stand to suffer if your alleged prophesy were to come true. I just do not understand how you can be so dismissive of such agony. Moreover, I can't even begin to fathom how you can live with yourself after describing their deaths as "consolation."

That is hideous and unspeakably inhuman. If that's what your beliefs have done to you, you can keep them. I don't want them... Ever.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

You have? Care to share this proof?

20120830.0950

@godless dave, #3947

You may check my posts to Foolmewunz messages 3897 and 3918. He used miles and I used kilometers.

Please check also my posts to Agatha regarding the crucifixion in August. They are in posts 3444, 3498, 3512, 3518, 3578, 3652, 3669, and 3674.

Remember Jesus cursing the fig tree? When is the fruiting season of the fig tree? When do the fig tree have big, broad leaves? Can you just have a linen cloth on your body without anything underneath in spring or in summer?

 

[AdMan]

20120830.0950

@godless dave, #3947

You may check my posts to Foolmewunz messages 3897 and 3918. He used miles and I used kilometers.

Please check also my posts to Agatha regarding the crucifixion in August. They are in posts 3444, 3498, 3512, 3518, 3578, 3652, 3669, and 3674.

Remember Jesus cursing the fig tree? When is the fruiting season of the fig tree? When do the fig tree have big, broad leaves? Can you just have a linen cloth on your body without anything underneath in spring or in summer?

Why have you avoided the responses against all your "arguments"? Is it because you can't credibly defend your claims?

 

[godless dave]

20120830.0950

@godless dave, #3947

You may check my posts to Foolmewunz messages 3897 and 3918. He used miles and I used kilometers.

Please check also my posts to Agatha regarding the crucifixion in August. They are in posts 3444, 3498, 3512, 3518, 3578, 3652, 3669, and 3674.

Remember Jesus cursing the fig tree? When is the fruiting season of the fig tree? When do the fig tree have big, broad leaves? Can you just have a linen cloth on your body without anything underneath in spring or in summer?

OK, so what you really mean is that you have "proved" that, according to the text, Jesus was crucified in August, not that there actually was a Jesus who was crucified in August in real life.

Since Ama has access to the same Bible, all you've "proved" is that both of you agree on what it says. That's not very impressive.

 

[TjW]

He also said he was "devastated" when the prophecy of the WWIII failed.

Well, better him than everyone else.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

OK, so what you really mean is that you have "proved" that, according to the text, Jesus was crucified in August, not that there actually was a Jesus who was crucified in August in real life.

Since Ama has access to the same Bible, all you've "proved" is that both of you agree on what it says. That's not very impressive.

20120830.1100

@godless dave, #3955

Now you are questioning if it was the real Jesus Christ who was crucified in August, am I right? Whose life was it on the New Testament of the Holy Bible? It was Jesus, wasn’t it? Christians say that Jesus was crucified and died sometime in March or April. Ama says that it was on August 17. Not only did he say the month but a day as well – August 17. What I only did was checked if that date is correct or not after more than fifteen years since I first heard it. And in my study of the crucifixion from 1999 to 2003, I found the date to be true and correct.

Passover, according to Christians and Jews, is in March or April. I say that during the time of Jesus when He was crucified, Passover was in August. I actually have developed what is called an Aristean Cycle wherein the first month of the year where Passover was is determined in which Jewish lunisolar month it falls every year, especially, prior to 358/359 AD.

Ama did not use the Aristean Cycle. He may have accessed to the same Holy Bible that I use but not the Aristean Cycle.

Actually, I only noticed the fig tree and the linen cloth from the Holy Bible in 2009, long after I finished my studies on the crucifixion in 2003.

The results of my study on the crucifixion is in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm . Please send in your questions and we will discuss them.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Why have you avoided the responses against all your "arguments"? Is it because you can't credibly defend your claims?

20120830.1200

@AdMan, #3954

Am I avoiding the responses of the questions raised by Foolmewunz and Agatha against my “arguments”?

I believe that in all of those responses I cited, I placed what the questioners said and then I wrote my “arguments” to “credibly defend your [my] claims.”

Do you have any questions regarding the birth on May 23 or death on August 17 of Jesus? Please send them in and we will discuss.

 

[AdMan]

20120830.1200

@AdMan, #3954

Am I avoiding the responses of the questions raised by Foolmewunz and Agatha against my “arguments”?

I believe that in all of those responses I cited, I placed what the questioners said and then I wrote my “arguments” to “credibly defend your [my] claims.”

Do you have any questions regarding the birth on May 23 or death on August 17 of Jesus? Please send them in and we will discuss.

Do you really need me to point out all the posts in this thread that have torn to shreds your "arguments" for the dates you are pushing for the birth and death of Jesus?

You have not defended your claims at all. You have simply repeated, often verbatim, your initial statements, without addressing any of the arguments against them. That is not an actual argument. Do you really not see that?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Aristeo, we are talking about the prospect of a devastating worldwide nuclear war here. We have every right to be critical of what you have posted here. In fact, I assert that the stakes are so high that we can't be critical enough in this regard.

Imagine yourself standing in line at the supermarket with two other people. A stranger comes along and announces that two of you are going to die horrible deaths sometime in the next month or two. On a Wednesday, in fact.

How would that make you feel?

Fast forward several weeks. The same person again runs into the three of you at the supermarket, and announces that he's disappointed that two of you are still alive, but goes on to say that he's consoled by the fact that you'll be dead soon.

Now how do you feel? The natural reaction to such a callous pronouncement is outrage, and that's what you're getting from us here.

This has nothing to do with China versus the Philippines, fighting over an island with nuclear weapons.

It also has nothing to do with manipulative crones writhing on the floor and farting out prophesies from under bedsheets, or nonexistent Egyptian "princesses" with names that sound suspiciously like Tagalog, or a lady who's collecting corpses like baseball cards.

It has everything to do with real, live people -- Over 4 billion of them -- who stand to suffer if your alleged prophesy were to come true. I just do not understand how you can be so dismissive of such agony. Moreover, I can't even begin to fathom how you can live with yourself after describing their deaths as "consolation."

That is hideous and unspeakably inhuman. If that's what your beliefs have done to you, you can keep them. I don't want them... Ever.

20120830.1035

@Astreja, #3952

Thank you, Astreja, for your analysis of the impact of the nuclear World War III on people.

I actually do not like a nuclear war or any war for that matter. Did you know that the last time that I held a rifle was when I was a student in the university, some 50 years ago, when I had to undergo the Reserved Officer Training Course (ROTC)?

Do you love your life, Astreja? If so, then search for Him that gave you your life.

I have said that I was expecting the prophecies of the spirit to come true because he said about the May 23 birth and August 17 death of Jesus, which I myself have proven to be true and correct. He even gave a stop point, an end point, the 2012 Olympic Games (OG) in London. He even gave the week day, a Wednesday, which limited my choice of when the war could occur. But the OG was held and ended on 08-12. The prophecies failed. Why would they fail?

My only “consolation” is that there is still that Sword of Damocles hanging over us – the Spratly Island dispute that is considered as a flash point, a powder keg. Why does the dispute be during this time when he said in 1986 that the war will originate from the Philippines? Why not in 1995 or 2005? Why is it that we have the OG this time, when there were precedents of major events, like the 1936 and 1944 OGs and WWII? Why is it that there is the 2012-12-21 controversial Mayan prophecy of an “end of the world”? They all seem to point to 2012. Why the prophecies failed? I do not know.