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Settle it: Who thinks Obama is a socialist?

Yeah, but Stalin killed way more Communists than Eisenhower ever did. :D

Nazis too BTW....

It all depends on how you define 'socialist.' Marx and Engels would probably call him a 'petty-bourgeois' socialist:

The Communist Manifesto p. 23-24 said:
In countries where modern civilization has become fully developed, a new class of petty bourgeois has been formed, fluctuating between proletariat and bourgeoisie, and ever renewing itself a supplementary part of bourgeois society. The individual members of this class, however, as being constantly hurled down into the proletariat by the action of competition, and, as Modern Industry develops, they even see the moment approaching when they will completely disappear as an independent section of modern society, to be replaced in manufactures, agriculture and commerce, by overlookers, bailiffs and shopmen.

In countries like France, where the peasants constitute far more than half of the population, it was natural that writers who sided with the proletariat against the bourgeoisie should use, in their criticism of the bourgeois régime, the standard of the peasant and petty bourgeois, and from the standpoint of these intermediate classes, should take up the cudgels for the working class. Thus arose petty-bourgeois socialism. Sismondi was the head of this school, not only in France but also in England.

This school of socialism dissected with great acuteness the contradictions in the conditions of modern production. It laid bare the hypocritical apologies of economists. It proved, incontrovertibly, the disastrous effects of machinery and division of labor; the concentration of capital and land in a few hands; overproduction and crises; it pointed out the inevitable ruin of the petty bourgeois and peasant, the misery of the proletariat, the anarchy in production, the crying inequalities in the distribution of wealth, the industrial war of extermination between nations, the dissolution of old moral bonds, of the old family relations, of the old nationalities.

In it positive aims, however, this form of socialism aspires either to restoring the old means of production and of exchange, and with them the old property relations, and the old society, or to cramping the modern means of production and of exchange within the framework of the old property relations that have been, and were bound to be, exploded by those means. In either case, it is both reactionary and Utopian.

Its last words are: corporate guilds for manufacture; patriarchal relations in agriculture. Ultimately, when stubborn historical facts had dispersed all intoxicating effects of selfdeception, this form of socialism ended in a miserable hangover.

tl;dr version: He's a weenie in Marxist terms.

Actually my guess would be he just wanted to expand the welfare state somewhat and make adding a health care entitlement his legacy and successfully conclude the wars overseas. That would make him a 'running dog lackey of capitalist-imperialist oppressors' in Maoist terms.

In Leninist terms he'd be a 'useful idiot.' Whether Lenin wrote it down or not, he sure would know the sort cluelessly being used for other's purposes---he had enough of them! :p
 
If he's a socialist, he's the best liar ever. What, with all the compromising he's been doing.

And that whole giving-scads-of-public-funds-to-private-banks thing really doesn't jive with, well, ANY definition of socialism.
 
Quiet you all. He's a socialist. Fox News said so. Just like how they also called Warren Buffet a socialist.

If they said it then it must be true.
 
When describing a socialist, it means the most radical and anti-freedom extremes that socialism can offer. When deciding whether someone belongs to that group, it's anyone who wants a 3% tax hike on the wealthiest Americans.
 
Yes, basically the way the far right describes "socialists" these days is anyone that doesn't think all national problems can be solved with tax cuts on the rich. What they will do when the rich pay no taxes whatsoever will be interesting. Maybe at that point they'll initiate negative tax rates and the lower classes will be directly subsidizing them.

That would sure make conservatives happy.
 
socialist lol. bought and paid for by big money as they all are, although it does look like there's a bit of an East/West thing going on.

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And what is often described as socialist, automatic tyranny, dicators generally actually is not.

You can have democratic socialism but it tends to be a series of compromises and acheiving the possible with what is on the ground.

And you can have Captialist states that have a complete absence of any freedoms like Chile was under Pinochet, Argentian under the Generals and most of South America until the 1990s.
 
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No....I have no idea what that means.

I really don’t understand why people like you don’t celebrate the fact that Obama is a person of the Left, a Socialist, a pinko liberal a fellow-traveler of the communists.
 
I really don’t understand why people like you don’t celebrate the fact that Obama is a person of the Left, a Socialist, a pinko liberal a fellow-traveler of the communists.

The same reason people don't celebrate the fact that Obama is a brain-eating alien from planet Squeezax.
 

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