Julian Assange: rapist or not?

[uke2se]

Certainly maybe.

"Before Karl became known as “The Architect” of President Bush’s 2000 and 2004 campaigns, he was president of Karl Rove + Company, an Austin-based public affairs firm that worked for Republican candidates, non-partisan causes, and non-profit groups. His clients included over 75 Republican U.S. Senate, Congressional, and gubernatorial candidates in 24 states, as well as the Moderate Party of Sweden."

http://www.rove.com/bio

Hilited the part you apparently missed.

 

[jeremyp]

vilifying my nation and two innocent victims.

Can we take a step back? It has not been established yet that these two people are victims - at least not victims of rape by Julian Assange. At the moment, all we have are allegations of rape. The proper place to establish the truth or otherwise of these allegations is in a Swedish court of law, not on randi.org.

My personal opinion is that Mr Assange's actions since the allegations came to light are those of a man who thinks he will get convicted. He fled Sweden and now he has jumped bail. These do not seem to be the actions of a man who is confident that his innocence will be demonstrated. However, my opinion is not important, due process is, even though there is only one man trying to obstruct it at the moment - well, one man and Ecuador.

By the way, I do think it is a gross slander to suggest that these two women are shills of the US or that Swedish justice can be corrupted by the US. Apart from the fact that the Swedish justice system is one of the least corrupt there is, instead of trying to fake a rape case, the US could simply have asked for Assange to be extradited.

 

[eirik]

Judicial systems are always prone to politcal corruption. Reality isn't always wonderful.

That they are not absolutely perfect, is apparantly evidence they are fatally flawed and corrupted.

So, we can justly ignore them, bash rape victims and flee rape charges

Who said something about dichotomies.

 

[BenBurch]

That they are not absolutely perfect, is apparantly evidence they are fatally flawed and corrupted.

So, we can justly ignore them, bash rape victims and flee rape charges

Who said something about dichotomies.

If this had been, say, Karl Rove in the same situation, these people would be screaming for his head.

They have no remaining credibility.

 

[JihadJane]

That they are not absolutely perfect, is apparantly evidence they are fatally flawed and corrupted.

So, we can justly ignore them, bash rape victims and flee rape charges

Who said something about dichotomies.

Are you actually a farmer rather than a lawyer, because you seem to have an endless supply of straw?

 

[JihadJane]

By the way, I do think it is a gross slander to suggest ... that Swedish justice can be corrupted by the US. .

LOL.

 

[eirik]

Are you actually a farmer rather than a lawyer, because you seem to have an endless supply of straw?

You not happy with your own arguments? Take it up with yourself I guess.

 

[JihadJane]

You not happy with your own arguments? Take it up with yourself I guess.

Thanks for the mulch.

 

[uke2se]

LOL.

Is this a joke to you?

 

[nathan]

Did you miss the new comments abusing people who don't think the correct thoughts?

What are you talking about? What 'correct thoughts'?

That there are only two aspects to this issue

Which issue specifically?

, you either think what they think,

Who is 'they'?

or you are an Assange acolyte who loves to see women raped.

Obvious false dichotomy.

If you read the interview I linked to with Robertson, or the women's lawyer, you will realise that the issue is more nuanced and complex than a simple dichotomy.

If you're referring to the claim that the extradition is only for questioning, it's quite simply wrong. If you're referring to some other issue, stop referring to that errant claim.

 

[tsig]

LOL.

Brilliantly argued however might have been more to the point.

 

[JihadJane]

An interesting look out how Sweden went from being a neutral country known for championing nuclear disarmament, peace and negotiation over violence, to being a US lapdog supporting aggressive wars, kidnap and torture, via submarine hysteria:


'FROM NEUTRALITY TO NATO
The “tyranny of small steps”
leading Sweden into the military alliance'

The following is a very preliminary attempt to chart the process by which Sweden
has successively abandoned its long-standing policy of neutrality1
and become evermore deeply entangled with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. That process
is the focus of a project entitled “Stop the Furtive Accession to NATO!”.

According to the original project proposal, Swedish neutrality is being eliminated
by a “tyranny of small steps”, and the purpose of this account is to document the
various steps involved — some of which have actually been quite large.

Instead of the misleading acronym of mere NATO, the term USA/NATO is used
throughout in order to underscore the often neglected or deliberately obscured fact
that the military alliance is dominated by the United States. For the same reason,
steps by Sweden toward alliance with and subjugation to the United States, alone,
are regarded as steps toward membership in USA/NATO. They are all part of the
same process.

 

[uke2se]

An interesting look out how Sweden went from being a neutral country known for championing nuclear disarmament, peace and negotiation over violence, to being a US lapdog supporting aggressive wars, kidnap and torture, via submarine hysteria:


'FROM NEUTRALITY TO NATO
The “tyranny of small steps”
leading Sweden into the military alliance'

Completely irrelevant? Check!

Sourced from a website oozing with bias (http://www.stoppanato.se)? Check!

Actually, it's from a website under the wikileaks umbrella, so it's basically just Assange-sycophants again.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

Completely irrelevant? Check!

Sourced from a website oozing with bias (http://www.stoppanato.se)? Check!

Actually, it's from a website under the wikileaks umbrella, so it's basically just Assange-sycophants again.

Attacking the arguer instead of the argument? Check!

Laughing dog smiley? Check!

Using abusive terms ("Assange-sycophants") to make an ad hominem attack in place of rational argument? Check!

Utterly failing to engage with any of the factual claims advanced to support the claim that Sweden is currently more aligned with the USA than might be commonly assumed based on their earlier history? Check!

 

[BenBurch]

Act like sycophants and then get all shirty when called on it? Check.

 

[trustbutverify]

Sweden is currently more aligned with the US than previously = Sweden is USA's lapdog?



Check.

 

[uke2se]

Utterly failing to engage with any of the factual claims advanced to support the claim that Sweden is currently more aligned with the USA than might be commonly assumed based on their earlier history? Check!

Where were those claims? In the Assange-sycophant website article? (By the way, Al Burke can be correctly labeled as an Assange-sycophant).

All I see is a lot of assertions with no evidence to back them up. The article itself is laughably out of touch with Swedish neutrality-policy. My own field is Swedish marine history, and the article is so completely biased it can be called a work of denial, especially when it comes to submarine intrusions in the 1970s and 80s. In short, it is an attempt to rewrite history according to the politics of the author, and a pretty poor attempt at that. You will note that the "project" that spawned the article was cancelled in 2010 after pretty much nobody wanted anything to do with it.

Maybe you could tell me how this article is in any way relevant to Assange being wanted for questioning with the possibility of arrest by Swedish authorities?

 

[uke2se]

Sweden is currently more aligned with the US than previously = Sweden is USA's lapdog?



Check.

Even the fact that we are currently more aligned with the US than previously is taken out of its political context. We are currently more aligned with Russia than previously as well. And China. Sweden does not claim neutrality anymore. We are part of the EU.

 

[trustbutverify]

Good point.

 

[JihadJane]

I realized that maybe I should have commented on your "Really" also, even though everybody can read exactly what "involvement" I was asking about, you even quoted it yourself in your post - the involvement "in facilitating the US illegal "extraordinary rendition".

You have now shown your source, and as I posted above, it does not support your statement.

I'm sorry for the confusion. It never crossed my mind that anyone but the most politically expedient was still trying to deny "feminist" Bodström's part in making once neutral, peace-promoting Sweden the first country in the world to collaborate with the USA's not so wonderful, "War on Terror" torture outsourcing program.