Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[RandFan]

The OCR theory has long been abandoned by serious critics in part because the text within the PDF is not searchable. Moreover, Jean-Claude Tremblay, says he was mis-quoted: “I never said that,” Tremblay insists. “Winter called me and talked to me for about five minutes on the telephone, and she never said she was going to quote me. Then she misrepresented what I said.” http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/

From YOUR link.

“First, I never thought that what I saw in the Birth Certificate PDF was a proof of its authenticity,” he wrote. “For me, what I have seen does not prove that it is legit, nor that it is a fake, nor that there has been any tampering whatsoever,”

 

[Robert Prey]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey
And how many layers are there in the Obama PDF????

One, with several element groups.

Oh, Jay. I thought you knew better. Your prize --

 

[RandFan]

Eight one-bit layers plus one 8 bit layer.

When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

Debunked.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Baloney.

...is bad for you. Fatty, loaded with sodium, not to mention comprised in part of some icky by-products.

 

[Robert Prey]

Adobe experts and Adobe says otherwise:

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter-archive/illustrator/articles/illcs2at_behindmask.html




PDF Files opened in Illustrator will create various layers, each layer has "layers" of adjustment masking layers that enhance the layer its applied to.

Much like photoshop can have multiple layers within layers (grouping)


So much fail on your part.

You are confused. A layer mask is not a layer.

 

[Hans]

...is bad for you. Fatty, loaded with sodium, not to mention comprised in part of some icky by-products.

Since he uses 'baloney' to hide his lack of knowledge


I suggest we nickname him that

Robert 'baloney' Prey

Sounds good

 

[Robrob]

You are confused. A layer mask is not a layer.

Out of curiosity, are you claiming to actually know what you are talking about or are you simply parroting truther websites?

 

[000063]

The OCR theory has long been abandoned by serious critics in part because the text within the PDF is not searchable.

Ah. So we're downgraded from "experts" to "serious critics". I expect "concerned citizens" or "the public" next. PDFs scanned from documents don't necessarily create searchable docs, with or without OCR.

The Obama records which have not been released include; [long list]

Appeal to impossible perfection.

and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.

So you lot ask for the certificate, and when it's provided, you say it's a forgery based on "evidence" no credible experts agree with, and ask for the long form. There is nothing to stop you lot from, if you are provided with the evidence requested, declaring all of it faked and demanding even more. This standard of proof is ludicrously high and unjustified.

The Long Form was, in fact, provided. This does not instill me with confidence regarding your research abilities, especially since you are focused, curiously, almost exclusively on the short form.

Also either missing or sealed are hospital admission records for his mother, and travel records for the week he was allegedly born.

Don't you mean the lack of travel records?

A clipping mask is not a layer.

That's funny. I've been using layers as clipping masks in Adobe Photoshop for the better part of a decade now. And as for Illustrator;
http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/clipping-masks.html

Speaking as someone who has used both programs, one quite extensively; You. Are. Wrong.

Three Pinnochios for you.

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I'm noticing quite a lot of unbacked flat denials here, Bobby. Quite a lot.

 

[Arus808]

Eight one-bit layers plus one 8 bit layer.

When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY

and you're definitely a student, and far from a teacher

 

[Arus808]

You are confused. A layer mask is not a layer.

I'll take Adobe's word over yours

http://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/clipping-masks.html


Seeing as I have been using Adobe products for nearly 15 years, I believe my experience with their software over your apparent non-experience.

 

[Arus808]

Three Pinnochios for you.

Please show where I have made a false statement.

I've been following this nonsense since April of 2008. I know the birthers' mantra like the back of my hand.

Robert, you have skipped this allegation. Please show where I have made a false statement.

 

[Robrob]

The Obama records which have not been released include; Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules (said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage licenses and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth. Also either missing or sealed are hospital admission records for his mother, and travel records for the week he was allegedly born.

Out of curiosity, how many of the above highlighted have ever been provided by any President or candidate?


Not to mention Harvard Law Review articles and many other items you list are archived and if you really wanted them you could get off your lazy butt and find them yourself.

 

[Arus808]

Has no bearing on eligibility. Protected by Privacy laws, the same ones that protect your passport reocrds

Has no bearing on eligibility. Protected by Privacy laws, the same ones that protect your school reocrds. And Why does someone want a 6 year old's Kindergarten records. You want to see what grade he got in finger painting?


Has no bearing on eligibility. File and FOIA request if you want them. He is not obligated to release those.


Has no bearing on eligibility. HIPAA bites you on this one. Get familiar with it.

Has no bearing on eligibility. Go to Hawaii Superior Court, file a case to release records. Pay fee.



Has no bearing on eligibility. Was released to the public 3 years ago. Google for them.

Has no bearing on eligibility. Go to Hawaii Superior Court, file a case to release records. Pay Fee.

Obama provided it, twice
Hawaii confirmed it more than 5 times.

Sorry if facts ruin your fantasy.

Has no bearing on eligibility. HIPAA bites you on this one. Get familiar with it.

Already shown that for that WEEK in August of 1961 (and in fact in the entire year from June 1961 - June 1962) no AMERICAN Citizen returned from Kenya.

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/74/mode/1up

We Already know that Obama Sr didn't return to Kenya in 1961 and returne, since according to his immigration records, he entered the US in 1959 and didn't leave until 1964, so there would be no reason why a pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham would travel 6000 miles to a country she didn't know.

So your theory, debunked.

Robert, why did you skip over the entire list you posted and shown to be nothing but nonsense?

Or how no American Citizen returned from Kenya the entire year starting June 1961 - June 9162?

Or that Obama Sr. is shown to have not left the US until 1964, so why would SA Dunham travel to a country in which she would not be welcomed?

 

[Tomtomkent]

Interesting how Robert uses "Pinochios" now. Is he worried that using the word "lie" to falsely accuse others would be in breach of the MA? (And that still looks more like Cyrano de Bergerac to me...)

 

[Tomtomkent]

Robert, why did you skip over the entire list you posted and shown to be nothing but nonsense?

Or how no American Citizen returned from Kenya the entire year starting June 1961 - June 9162?

Or that Obama Sr. is shown to have not left the US until 1964, so why would SA Dunham travel to a country in which she would not be welcomed?

Ah. So HE was the mystery shooter Robert never got around to naming in the JFK thread...

 

[A'isha]

A clipping mask is not a layer.

You are confused. A layer mask is not a layer.

Go on, then, Robert. Explain the difference between each of these, and how they're used in PDF compression.

Dance for me, my puppet.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

You a teacher....now that's funny...but not in a good way. More in a "are you kidding me" way.

Don't worry; it's just one of his catchphrases. I can only assume it's intended for comedic effect.

 

[Ladewig]

Typical and predictable.

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Yes. I know that if you are trying to upset rational people with your posts, but this one is way too low for even you, RP. I'd suggest that you go back to the minor leagues, but the JREF is already lower than the minor leagues. Either put out some good stuff, or pack it in and call it a day.

See signature line.

You might think that we are gullible because we respond to your post , but there is nothing you have posted that is not 100% believed by some Republicans. that's pretty sad.

 

[Travis]

The Obama records which have not been released include; Passport records,

Why the hell would we want to see this? Has any other President ever provided it?

Obama kindergarten records,

Seriously? Why the hell would we want to see this? Has any other President ever provided it?

Punahou School records,

Again, seriously?

Occidental College records,

Why?

Columbia University records,

Why?

Columbia thesis,

Why?

Harvard Law School records,

Why?

Harvard Law Review articles,

Again, why?

University of Chicago scholarly articles,

This is getting redundant.

Illinois State Bar Association records,

More redundancy with no reasoning behind it.

Medical records,

Why the hell would we want to see this? Has any other President ever provided it?

Obama/Dunham marriage license,

Seriously why the hell would we want to see this?

Obama/Dunham divorce documents,

Are you like some fetishist who gets off on the minutia of long dead people's marriage documents?

Soetoro/Dunham marriage licenses

Oh....apparently you are.

and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.

Which would look just like the one you've already seen and declared to be in conflict with how you imagine reality is.

Also either missing or sealed are hospital admission records for his mother, and travel records for the week he was allegedly born.

Lol. Really?

Good luck getting those records. At least half are completely irrelevant and most are protected by various laws from weirdos on the net.

 

[Multivac]

If I follow the 'logic' correctly, RP thinks that Obama claimed foreign birth during college to receive scholarships from certain programs. So no relevance to his ability to run the US, but just more imagined evidence of his foreign birth.

Thanks for the explanation.