Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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RandFan said:
Did you happen to notice that claim was debunked by an Adobe-certified expert.
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The OCR theory has long been abandoned by serious critics in part because the text within the PDF is not searchable. Moreover, Jean-Claude Tremblay,
says he was mis-quoted:

“I never said that,” Tremblay insists. “Winter called me and talked to me for about five minutes on the telephone, and she never said she was going to quote me. Then she misrepresented what I said.”

http://www.wnd.com/2011/06/314041/
 
BTW, any PDF document that is opened in Illustrator creates "layers" . Many of which are clipping masks.
 
Arus808 said:
And the funny thing< Sherrif Joe Arpaio's cold cuts posse say it's "forged" because there isn't enough layers.

so please reconcile that, Robert.


Birthers can't even agree with each on their pet theories.

Birthers - "There are layers! Forgery!!!!"

Cold Cuts Posse - "There are layers!! Forgery cause there should be MORE!!!"
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Grossly incorrect.
 
Funny you would use WND, since their own expert, for which they never published his findings (yes a real expert) says that the COLB isn't a forgery.
 
Robert Prey said:
In your heart, you know I'm right.
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Ah yes. Once again Robert pulls out his debate equivalent of "my Mom thinks I'm cool!".

No Robert, we 'know' no such thing. Ignoring the fact that our heart is just a muscle you seem to use this line as a defense mechanism when you are being defeated in an argument, which is pretty much always happening.

If as you claim, in our hearts we 'know' that you are right (and you are most certainly not right, not even close to being right. I'm not even sure what you are claiming can even be called 'wrong') why on Earth would we argue? This thread is closing in on 200 pages in length and the 'pdf layers' argument was destroyed dozens of pages ago. If there was anything remotely of substance to the claim then something would have held up by now. Instead, well, just look at the crap you've cut-n-pasted here when you aren't just spewing one-liners, utterly failing 'gotcha' ploys, or stating things that just are not true (your claim about how birth announcements were done was a howler). It is really sad, sad stuff. It goes beyond hyper-partisan and into some realm I don't want to think about, not because of any chance you might be right, but because it is scary what mindset causes one to think that way.

Back to ignore with you.
 
Arus808 said:
A complete and utter lie.

Obama's life has been out in the open for all to see since the 90's
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The Obama records which have not been released include; Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules (said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage licenses and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth. Also either missing or sealed are hospital admission records for his mother, and travel records for the week he was allegedly born.
 
kookbreaker said:
Ah yes. Once again Robert pulls out his debate equivalent of "my Mom thinks I'm cool!".

No Robert, we 'know' no such thing. Ignoring the fact that our heart is just a muscle you seem to use this line as a defense mechanism when you are being defeated in an argument, which is pretty much always happening.

If as you claim, in our hearts we 'know' that you are right (and you are most certainly not right, not even close to being right. I'm not even sure what you are claiming can even be called 'wrong') why on Earth would we argue? This thread is closing in on 200 pages in length and the 'pdf layers' argument was destroyed dozens of pages ago. If there was anything remotely of substance to the claim then something would have held up by now. Instead, well, just look at the crap you've cut-n-pasted here when you aren't just spewing one-liners, utterly failing 'gotcha' ploys, or stating things that just are not true (your claim about how birth announcements were done was a howler). It is really sad, sad stuff. It goes beyond hyper-partisan and into some realm I don't want to think about, not because of any chance you might be right, but because it is scary what mindset causes one to think that way.

Back to ignore with you.
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Typical and predictable.

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Robert Prey said:
Grossly incorrect.
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what's incorrect?

Arpaio's Cold Cuts Posse saying it didn't have enough layers?

You'd be wrong. They mentioned it in the March 1 Press Event.

Strike 1



and yes, the birther mantra before Arpaio's WND funded investigation was that it was a forgery because it had layers.

Strike 2

After the WND influenced and Funded investigation:

there isn't enough layers.


STrike 3 - you're out!
 
Arus808 said:
what's incorrect?

Arpaio's Cold Cuts Posse saying it didn't have enough layers?

You'd be wrong. They mentioned it in the March 1 Press Event.

Strike 1



and yes, the birther mantra before Arpaio's WND funded investigation was that it was a forgery because it had layers.

Strike 2

After the WND influenced and Funded investigation:

there isn't enough layers.


STrike 3 - you're out!
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Three Pinnochios for you.

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Robert Prey said:
Passport records,
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Has no bearing on eligibility. Protected by Privacy laws, the same ones that protect your passport reocrds

Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles,
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Has no bearing on eligibility. Protected by Privacy laws, the same ones that protect your school reocrds. And Why does someone want a 6 year old's Kindergarten records. You want to see what grade he got in finger painting?


Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules (said to be lost),
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Has no bearing on eligibility. File and FOIA request if you want them. He is not obligated to release those.


Medical records,
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Has no bearing on eligibility. HIPAA bites you on this one. Get familiar with it.

Obama/Dunham marriage license,
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Has no bearing on eligibility. Go to Hawaii Superior Court, file a case to release records. Pay fee.

Obama/Dunham divorce documents,
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Has no bearing on eligibility. Was released to the public 3 years ago. Google for them.

Soetoro/Dunham marriage licenses
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Has no bearing on eligibility. Go to Hawaii Superior Court, file a case to release records. Pay Fee.

and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.
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Obama provided it, twice
Hawaii confirmed it more than 5 times.

Sorry if facts ruin your fantasy.

Also either missing or sealed are hospital admission records for his mother,
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Has no bearing on eligibility. HIPAA bites you on this one. Get familiar with it.

and travel records for the week he was allegedly born.
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Already shown that for that WEEK in August of 1961 (and in fact in the entire year from June 1961 - June 1962) no AMERICAN Citizen returned from Kenya.

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/74/mode/1up

We Already know that Obama Sr didn't return to Kenya in 1961 and returne, since according to his immigration records, he entered the US in 1959 and didn't leave until 1964, so there would be no reason why a pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham would travel 6000 miles to a country she didn't know.

So your theory, debunked.
 
JayUtah said:
The "Big Lie" argument always sounds better if you put in in the mouth of a Nazi or a Stalinist or some other oppressive regime. That way you can identify your opponents with oppression just by trying to apply the Big Lie argument to them.

What's even funnier is that Big-Lie proponents always believe it applies only to their opponents. My experiences is that conspiracy theorists tend to be the ones to simply regurgitate what their latest authority has told them -- James Fetzer, Ann Coulter, Alex Jones -- without question or research. And when the origin of their arguments is researched carefully, you typically discover only a circular chain of references -- no actual fact. This argument is particularly odious when deployed by someone who comes so late to the thread, offers year-old, long-debunked claims, and explicitly declines to read what his critics have already said.

Of course when someone starts explaining disbelief for his claims in terms of large-scale brainwashing, he knows he's already lost all credibility. That degree of desperation is usually reserved for later.
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Baloney.
 
Robert Prey said:
A clipping mask is not a layer.
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Adobe experts and Adobe says otherwise:

http://www.adobe.com/designcenter-archive/illustrator/articles/illcs2at_behindmask.html

There are three different kinds of masks that you can create in Illustrator, each with its own benefits. A clipping mask allows you to specify a certain vector shape as a mask for other individual or grouped objects. A layer clipping mask allows you to specify a certain vector shape as a mask for all the objects within the same layer. An opacity mask allows you to use the luminance value of any object to create a mask for other individual or grouped objects.
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PDF Files opened in Illustrator will create various layers, each layer has "layers" of adjustment masking layers that enhance the layer its applied to.

Much like photoshop can have multiple layers within layers (grouping)


So much fail on your part.
 
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