Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[Robert Prey]

No, it hasn't been discredited. It's a process like this.

And with an excellent diagram. Did you happen to notice the number of layers in an MRC compressed document???

And how many layers are there in the Obama PDF????

 

[JayUtah]

Nothing works for you but denigration of the messenger in order to avoid analysis of the message.

Hm. That argument would almost work if the whole world couldn't see me analyzing the message followed by your ever-so-predictable "Baloney." You had plenty of chances to "analyze the message," but you threw it all out the window the moment you prefaced your little rhetorical trap with "Leaving everything else aside..." See, that's where you dodged.

 

[JayUtah]

And how many layers are there in the Obama PDF????

One, with several element groups. What's the difference between a layer and a group in PDF terms?

 

[JayUtah]

In your heart, you know I'm right.

Another patented Robert Prey line. Careful, your underbridge leanings are showing.

 

[JayUtah]

The subject is very much in the Court of Public Opinion.

No. It's just being flogged to death by people who don't know when to give up. Public opinion stopped Sheriff Arpaio from using any more public funds to investigate this.

But the Obama people refused to appear in court.

They didn't need to. The evidence against them was heard and dismissed without being cross-examined. It is that weak. This is why Birthers are generally regarded in the same camp as Bigfoot believers and Creationists.

So much for the Courts.

This from the guy who insists that all evidence has to be admissible in court? Your case has been repeatedly laughed out of court. It fails to convince -- at all.

 

[KDLarsen]

The subject is very much in the Court of Public Opinion. But the Obama people refused to appear in court. So much for the Courts.

And how did that case go? Oh right, the birthers lost, even after they were allowed to present their case.

 

[JayUtah]

Correct.

Thank you for admitting your dishonesty. What shall we do with people who lie?

Your silence on this as well as other pertinent questions is deafening. But by your silence, you speak volumes.

You were foolish to think I wouldn't recognize your many attempts at yet another fringe reset. And you can try to accuse me of dereliction, but everyone here appears to be on to you. My silence says I'm not going to indulge your rhetorical games, and I'm going to press you to answer the many questions I've asked you. You've lately started to talk about the structure of PDF files. I asked you several questions on that subject to test your knowledge. You said you wanted to "analyze the message," but clearly not.

 

[Robert Prey]

One, with several element groups. What's the difference between a layer and a group in PDF terms?

Irrelevant. The MRC contains only one 1-bit transparent text layer, but Obama's PDF file contains EIGHT 1-bit layers.

 

[JayUtah]

Irrelevant.

Nope.

The MRC contains only one 1-bit transparent text layer, but Obama's PDF file contains EIGHT 1-bit layers.

Nope.

Just admit you don't know the difference between a group and a layer in PDF terms.

 

[Hans]

Ah, ah, ah -- fallacy of the False Dilemma.

No a guy making up stuff he cannot defend

Is the constitution being violated and the country in danger? You keep suggesting that - but......you keep avoiding the question - so I guess cowardice - well actually just a troll, lol

Oh Robert you also failed to answer my question on whether you are 100% certain your parents are your actual parents, please answer and explain how you know whatever you know.... did you do DNA tests? Did you have the BC looked at and if not why not?

 

[A'isha]

So first it's OCR, then it's MRC, now it's quartz. I think you are confused.

Not in the least. You, on the other hand, apparently don't know the difference between OCR, MRC, and QuartzPDF.

And with an excellent diagram. Did you happen to notice the number of layers in an MRC compressed document???

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And how many layers are there in the Obama PDF????

When you have no idea what you're talking about, you should stop talking about it.

 

[Border Reiver]

The subject is very much in the Court of Public Opinion. But the Obama people refused to appear in court. So much for the Courts.

Maybe you've missed a few appearances then, because every court challenge made by ANY birther has been a failure for the birther side.

So to recap, as of August 20, 2012:

152 cases in courts of first instance
142 cases where the birthers have lost
10 cases pending

70 cases in appellate courts
70 loses for birthers in appellate courts

22 cases brought to the USSC
22 cases lost by birthers

And in the mystic "Court of Public Opinion" (known as opinion polls to most of us) he seems to be doing fairly well.

The courts seem to be working.

 

[LSSBB]

The "common folk"??? Careful not to classify yourself.

I take pride in being a member of the "common folk".

How about you?

 

[R.A.F.]

In your heart, you know I'm right.

No, Robert....no one here agrees with you. the idea that we "secretly" do agree, is just an extension of your delusion.

Why must you employ lies in order to make your "point"?? Don't you see how doing that destroys your credibility?



aside....I can not hear the phrase, "in your heart, you know he's right", without adding "vote for Barry Goldwater on November 3rd."

Stupid old political commercials.

 

[jimfish]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it... It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

--Joseph Goebbels

I'm always struck by the irony of this quote; the concept of repeating something enough that it's eventually taken as undisputed fact.

The irony in this case? Goebbels never said it, but everyone keeps repeating it, and believing he said it, all the same...

 

[Dcdrac]

Considering BARRY Goldwater by the standards of todays GOP would be considered a moderate, how many modern day republicans would vote for him

And I doubt he would be a birther

 

[Dcdrac]

A useful source of info about pdfs


http://www.pdfa.org/2011/08/pdfa-–-a-look-at-the-technical-side/

 

[JayUtah]

I'm always struck by the irony of this quote; the concept of repeating something enough that it's eventually taken as undisputed fact.

The irony in this case? Goebbels never said it, but everyone keeps repeating it, and believing he said it, all the same...

The "Big Lie" argument always sounds better if you put in in the mouth of a Nazi or a Stalinist or some other oppressive regime. That way you can identify your opponents with oppression just by trying to apply the Big Lie argument to them.

What's even funnier is that Big-Lie proponents always believe it applies only to their opponents. My experiences is that conspiracy theorists tend to be the ones to simply regurgitate what their latest authority has told them -- James Fetzer, Ann Coulter, Alex Jones -- without question or research. And when the origin of their arguments is researched carefully, you typically discover only a circular chain of references -- no actual fact. This argument is particularly odious when deployed by someone who comes so late to the thread, offers year-old, long-debunked claims, and explicitly declines to read what his critics have already said.

Of course when someone starts explaining disbelief for his claims in terms of large-scale brainwashing, he knows he's already lost all credibility. That degree of desperation is usually reserved for later.

 

[R.A.F.]

Considering BARRY Goldwater by the standards of todays GOP would be considered a moderate, how many modern day republicans would vote for him

And I doubt he would be a birther

I agree, although I was not commenting on Goldwater in relation to the subject of this thread.

 

[sts60]

When you have no idea what you're talking about, you should stop talking about it.

This is also expressed by this bit of cowboy philosophy -

"When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop diggin'."

But the statement in question is perhaps better answered by noted philosopher Hank Hill -

"Just when I thought you said the stupidest thing ever, you keep on talking."

I'm always struck by the irony of this quote; the concept of repeating something enough that it's eventually taken as undisputed fact.

The irony in this case? Goebbels never said it, but everyone keeps repeating it, and believing he said it, all the same...

What's especially funny is that the birthers keep telling the same big lie, but the lie is too stupid, and the birthers too comically incompetent, for it to become established fact except amongst the America-hating loons already telling it...

...And in the mystic "Court of Public Opinion" (known as opinion polls to most of us) he seems to be doing fairly well.

It's also pretty funny when the poor birthers appeal to the "court of public opinion", because in that court, the idea that the Sun revolves about the Earth has nearly a one-quarter chance of being right (2001 NSF study).