Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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RandFan said:
It can't be ended anymore than it has been ended. A duly sworn official in Hawaii has verified the document. Full faith and credit. End of story.
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Yabbut he only verified that it matches the data they have on file, when everyone knows those data has been falsified! :rolleyes:
 
JayUtah said:
It's not a "dodge" to resist a clumsy ploy to shift the burden of proof. You tried that before. You laid out a case based on allegedly expert testimony, it got absolutely shredded, and instead of dealing with the refutation, you tried to shift the argument over to your opponents and demand that they prove or assert some counterclaim. When people rightly pointed out that you were trying to abandon your burden of proof, you also there tried to claim people were dodging.

Now either you can answer my questions regarding your pending line of reasoning, or you can concede it. Which will it be?
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So predictable. So you cannot say that you are 100 percent certain that the COLB is an authentic copy, so you once again take the "fifth" and then blame the questioner for asking the question
 
Robert Prey said:
As did the author of the "Hitler Diaries."
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The author of the Hitler Diaries wasn't responsible under the law for collecting, recording, keeping, and certifying the information in them, unlike the State of Hawaii and birth cerificates.

Which makes your analogy not just wrong, but also stupid.
 
Megalodon said:
Originally Posted by Robert Prey
The public release of tax records is not a requirement to hold office, but the all seeing eye knows all about his taxes.
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Neither is the public release of a birth certificate. If you think otherwise please link to the public display of the birth certificates of the last 5 presidents.
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So Robert, any luck with those 5 birth certificates?
 
Robert Prey said:
So predictable.
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Oh knock off the condesension...no one is "buying" your crap, so stop pretending that we are somehow "predictabily ignorant"...it really ticks me off...


a side question for Robert...will you give up on all this birther crap after it no longer matters?...in 2016 when Obama leaves office?

If not, then what is the point?...you're changing nothing, and making yourself look foolish...

...for what purpose????
 
Robert Prey said:
So you cannot say that you are 100 percent certain that the COLB is an authentic copy, so you once again take the "fifth" and then blame the questioner for asking the question
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No. I refuse to let you shift the burden of proof. Kindly do not put words in my mouth.

Answer my pending questions or concede the argument.
 
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Mr Prey so far you have proved nothing at all other than you do not understand legal process, the constitution of the USA, how expert evidence works and how pdfs are created.
 
Robert Prey said:
So predictable.
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Indeed, You used exactly this same distraction in your previous thread. You claimed that conclusive exculpatory evidence was instead falsified and should be discounted. You trotted out a parade of pseudo-experts, telling us that their opinions had to be respected because of their considerable expertise.

When that alleged expertise was shown to be a complete sham, you stomped and whined about supposedly "ad hominem" arguments. When every single reader pointed out that you didn't know what that meant, you backpedaled and singled out two of your most outspoken critics, suddenly demanding that they pledge "one hundred percent certainty" in their belief as a condition for continuing the debate.

Exact same pattern; no deviation. You turned to well-worn page 254 in the Robert Prey playbook and tried the same stupid distraction here as you did there. You got to the end of your evidence and exhausted your ability to discuss it on its merits. You ran out of pseudo-experts. And you're even out of lunch meat. And just as everyone predicted, you tried to "reset" the argument and start anew with the burden of proof placed elsewhere. Yes, your inciteful rhetoric is very very predictable.

So let's go through the litany of Logic 101 errors you're committing.

False dilemma. You style the question as between "one hundred percent certainty," and the Birther position. That is, you insinuate that if one doesn't believe the Birther story, then the only other available position is absurd credulity otherwise. You don't seem interested in the reasonable conclusion.

Straw man. I've warned you several times not to put words in my mouth. You do it almost unconsciously. You thought you could lay the same rhetorical trap here that you did in the JFK thread, but when people didn't take the bait you tarred them with your desired answer anyway.

Burden of proof. The Birthers have the burden of proof, for reasons belabored at length in the JFK thread. You accepted this burden until it became obvious you could not sustain it. Your inability to prove your case does not justify making someone else responsible for proving some other point instead.

Affirmed consequent. You interpret general unwillingness to submit to your obvious rhetorical baiting as if it were some sort of impropriety among your critics.

Shall we continue? Or has this feeble distraction been laid bare enough for you?
 
R.A.F. said:
Not to take anything away from Hans, but I think anyone here that knows Robert's "M.O.", would have predicted the same.

I am kind of surprised that Robert "took the troll bait".
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Why? He's pretty obviously a troll.
 
JayUtah said:
Indeed, You used exactly this same distraction in your previous thread. You claimed that conclusive exculpatory evidence was instead falsified and should be discounted. You trotted out a parade of pseudo-experts, telling us that their opinions had to be respected because of their considerable expertise.

When that alleged expertise was shown to be a complete sham, you stomped and whined about supposedly "ad hominem" arguments. When every single reader pointed out that you didn't know what that meant, you backpedaled and singled out two of your most outspoken critics, suddenly demanding that they pledge "one hundred percent certainty" in their belief as a condition for continuing the debate.

Exact same pattern; no deviation. You turned to well-worn page 254 in the Robert Prey playbook and tried the same stupid distraction here as you did there. You got to the end of your evidence and exhausted your ability to discuss it on its merits. You ran out of pseudo-experts. And you're even out of lunch meat. And just as everyone predicted, you tried to "reset" the argument and start anew with the burden of proof placed elsewhere. Yes, your inciteful rhetoric is very very predictable.

So let's go through the litany of Logic 101 errors you're committing.

False dilemma. You style the question as between "one hundred percent certainty," and the Birther position. That is, you insinuate that if one doesn't believe the Birther story, then the only other available position is absurd credulity otherwise. You don't seem interested in the reasonable conclusion.

Straw man. I've warned you several times not to put words in my mouth. You do it almost unconsciously. You thought you could lay the same rhetorical trap here that you did in the JFK thread, but when people didn't take the bait you tarred them with your desired answer anyway.

Burden of proof. The Birthers have the burden of proof, for reasons belabored at length in the JFK thread. You accepted this burden until it became obvious you could not sustain it. Your inability to prove your case does not justify making someone else responsible for proving some other point instead.

Affirmed consequent. You interpret general unwillingness to submit to your obvious rhetorical baiting as if it were some sort of impropriety among your critics.

Shall we continue? Or has this feeble distraction been laid bare enough for you?
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Does this mean you are not one hundred percent certain the document is fake????
 
R.A.F. said:
Oh knock off the condesension...no one is "buying" your crap, so stop pretending that we are somehow "predictabily ignorant"...it really ticks me off...


a side question for Robert...will you give up on all this birther crap after it no longer matters?...in 2016 when Obama leaves office?

If not, then what is the point?...you're changing nothing, and making yourself look foolish...

...for what purpose????
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The point is the same as exposing a conspiracy to murder the President of the United States -- a personal but patriotic crusade against brainwash.
 
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