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Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

PeaceCrusader said:
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A spirit revealed that four nails were used for the hands and feet of Jesus when He was crucified. The nails were eight-sided, “octobado”. They had been retrieved from Jerusalem by Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine. It is incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different places – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris.

Do I believe this? The story is also found at “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” (in Filipino) read and sang during Holy Week in the Philippines. Any comments?
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It is incredible, isn't it? Are you certain they weren't made of titanium and floated in air?
 
Craig B said:
At least half a dozen of Jesus' foreskins too, which is more astounding than 50 nails, in my opinion. And one seventeenth century scholar even introduced the Holy Foreskin into the most advanced astronomical science of his day. See http://theholyprepuce.tumblr.com/post/7489780082 Images obtained in even more recent years have failed to confirm this bold speculation.
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I wish I could find a publication date for that manuscript
 
AdMan said:
Are we to believe that anything that was close to Jesus is a holy relic?

Where are his Holy Underpants? I'm sure they must bear some kind of holy image.
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He didn't wear any! He had a "seamless robe", and we know where that is. Well, one was invented by John to "fulfill" a "messianic prophecy" generated by John's misreading of Psalm 22 - or as wiki puts it:
The Seamless Robe of Jesus (or "Holy Robe", Holy Tunic, Holy Coat of Trier, Holy Coat of Trèves) is the robe said to have been worn by Jesus during (or shortly before) his crucifixion. The relic is preserved in the Cathedral of Trier in Germany.
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Didn't the spirit who lays these gems of wisdom on you lie a lot? The olympics are over and we're not all radioactive ash and dust. If they'll lie about things like that, why should you believe them about some random 'fact' concerning floaty steel nails? Because there's a song about it? If so, I can think of some other songs you should take as historical record. (You can check out any time you want, but you can never leave.)(In the town where I was born lived a man who sailed the sea, and he told me of his life in the land of submarines.)(Orangutans are skeptical of changes in their cages and zookeepers are very fond of rum.)
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Didn't the spirit who lays these gems of wisdom on you lie a lot? The olympics are over and we're not all radioactive ash and dust. If they'll lie about things like that, why should you believe them about some random 'fact' concerning floaty steel nails? Because there's a song about it? If so, I can think of some other songs you should take as historical record. (You can check out any time you want, but you can never leave.)(In the town where I was born lived a man who sailed the sea, and he told me of his life in the land of submarines.)(Orangutans are skeptical of changes in their cages and zookeepers are very fond of rum.)
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Or, "Look here brother, who you jivin' with that cosmik debrise?".
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Didn't the spirit who lays these gems of wisdom on you lie a lot? The olympics are over and we're not all radioactive ash and dust. If they'll lie about things like that, why should you believe them about some random 'fact' concerning floaty steel nails?
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I think PC is trying to find out if any of the things this woman said were true. He's convinced himself that she was right about the birth and death dates of Jesus (though of course in the reality the rest of us live in the dates are obviously nonsensical) so he can't understand how she could be wrong about the Olympic Games not happening. So he's checking up on a few of the other things she's said, which I imagine he has just assumed were true up until now.
 
Good idea, PC, to take your discussion of the nails here.

...The Orthodox Church commemorates the Uncovering of the Precious Cross and the Precious Nails by the Holy Empress Helen on March 6.

Because of her great service to the Church and her efforts in finding the Life-Creating Cross, Empress Helen is called “the Equal of the Apostles.”
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http://www.antiochian.org/node/18634

You can find more information here, too:
http://www.4enoch.org/wiki2/index.php?title=Category:Holy_Nails_(subject)

From the OP
A spirit revealed that four nails were used for the hands and feet of Jesus when He was crucified. The nails were eight-sided, “octobado”. They had been retrieved from Jerusalem by Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine. It is incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different places – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris.

Do I believe this? The story is also found at “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” (in Filipino) read and sang during Holy Week in the Philippines. Any comments?
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Which came first, PC?
KA's relevation or the “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal”?
Also, are you sure that steel nails are specified?
 
Foster Zygote said:
"Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?"

Yes. All fifty of them. Along with enough pieces of the true cross to build one of Her Majesty's battleships.
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"But isn't this relic matter a little overdone? We find a piece of the true cross in every old church we go into, and some of the nails that held it together. I would not like to be positive, but I think we have seen as much as a keg of these nails. Then there is the crown of thorns; they have part of one in Sainte Chapelle, in Paris, and part of one also in Notre Dame. And as for bones of St. Denis, I feel certain we have seen enough of them to duplicate him if necessary."

Innocents Abroad
Mark Twain

:D
 
I heard they were all melted down to make torches for the Olympics but destroyed in that nuclear war that happened just befo......... Oh, wait...
 
AdMan said:
This is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say about all these nails:


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10672a.htm

In other words, the Catholics are admitting they're all fakes.
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@AdMan, #10

I have read your link to the Catholic Encyclopaedia.

The spirit who gave the prophecies said that there were four nails instead of three. Logically, four is correct because Jesus was in the center. The thief to His right, his name was Dimas, it was right foot over left foot. So only three nails. The thief to His left, his name was Hestas, it was left foot over right foot. So only three nails also.

“Pasiong Mahal” in pages 203-204 says that the four nails are at Karpentas (I think, Carpentras, France); Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France. The first nail, in Carpentras, is called Clavo Santo. The second nail is in a church in Milan, brought by San Carlos when he went and visited the place. The third was put in a diadem of Emperor Constantine by his mother, Saint Helen. Saint Helen asked that the fourth nail be thrown at the Adriatic Sea to calm the storm that hit the city (maybe of Rome) which caused so much devastation. According to the experts (“doktos”), that nail did not sink and ended up in Paris, France in a Temple of Saint Dionysius.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
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Logically, four is correct because Jesus was in the center. The thief to His right, his name was Dimas, it was right foot over left foot. So only three nails. The thief to His left, his name was Hestas, it was left foot over right foot. So only three nails also.
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Why is it that when people start a sentence with "logically", what follows often isn't?

I've seen the "Tunica Christi" or "Holy Robe" in Constantine's home town of Trier. The church doesn't claim it is authentic. The English language material in the church describes it as something like "the clothing that was venerated for centuries as the garment worn by Jesus Christ on the day of his crucifixion." I wonder why mom (Saint Helena) brought the shirt back to Trier, but scattered the nails all over Europe.

If you're ever in the neighborhood, Trier is worth a visit. It's not a superawesome, bucket list type of tourist attraction, but it does have some very cool Roman ruins, three medieval churches of note, including that church with the shirt in it. The church has some very impressive woodworking in it.
 
''We find a piece of the true cross in every old church we go into, and some of the nails that held it together.... I think we have seen as much as a keg of these nails. Then there is the crown of thorns; they have part of one in Sainte Chapelle, in Paris, and part of one, also, in Notre Dame. And as for bones of St. Denis, I feel certain we have seen enough of them to duplicate him if necessary. ''-Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad.
 
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