Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[PeaceCrusader]

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A spirit revealed that four nails were used for the hands and feet of Jesus when He was crucified. The nails were eight-sided, “octobado”. They had been retrieved from Jerusalem by Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine. It is incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different places – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris.

Do I believe this? The story is also found at “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” (in Filipino) read and sang during Holy Week in the Philippines. Any comments?

 

[Resume]

20120826.1145

A spirit revealed that four nails were used for the hands and feet of Jesus when He was crucified. The nails were eight-sided, “octobado”. They had been retrieved from Jerusalem by Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine. It is incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different places – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris.

Do I believe this? The story is also found at “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” (in Filipino) read and sang during Holy Week in the Philippines. Any comments?

Do you believe this?

 

[jsfisher]

20120826.1145

A spirit revealed that four nails were used for the hands and feet of Jesus when He was crucified. The nails were eight-sided, “octobado”. They had been retrieved from Jerusalem by Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine. It is incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different places – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris.

Do I believe this? The story is also found at “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” (in Filipino) read and sang during Holy Week in the Philippines. Any comments?

Steel, not bronze. Good to know.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

Nope they are not.

 

[Doubt]

Constantine's mom ran all over the place finding relics. Seems she could not go any place and not find something important. Gullible under any definition.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

I'm sure they're somewhere in Scandinavia.

 

[Kid Eager]

Improbable, unlikely, lacks providence, evidence, and a chain of custody, heresay at its most extreme.

 

[George 152]

This is the same poster who claimed that the Olympic Games would not take place because of a Thermo nuclear war that was going to break out...

 

[fromdownunder]

PC, you need to take the Jesus Tour. Stop at Jerusalem, and you get to visit the Grotto He was buried in, and a sample of the Burial Cloth is only 20 Shekels. The Franchise 100 cubits away from this sells a nail from the True Cross for 50 Shekels, or a special bulk buy of 5 for 200, and slivers from the One True Cross for only 5 Shekels.

Then you get shipped off to Turkey and can buy pieces of the One True Ark for 5 ytl, or a one ounce bag for 100 ytl.

A flight to London and a bus trip to Cumbria where the Original Round Table is located (autographed by Arthur himself) is next, and the Cavern where the Holy Grail is located follows. Photography is unfortunately not allowed.

It truly is inspiring to have all these proofs of Jesus popping up just where Historians say they should be.

Norm

 

[AdMan]

This is what the Catholic Encyclopedia has to say about all these nails:

Very little reliance can be placed upon the authenticity of the thirty or more holy nails which are still venerated, or which have been venerated until recent times, in such treasuries as that of Santa Croce in Rome, or those of Venice, Aachen, Escurial, Nuremberg, Prague, etc. Probably the majority began by professing to be facsimiles which had touched or contained filings from some other nail whose claim was more ancient. It is conceivable that imitations in this way may have come in a very brief space of time to be reputed originals.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10672a.htm

In other words, the Catholics are admitting they're all fakes.

 

[One Skunk Todd]

What would have been done with crucifixion nails anyway? Were they valuable enough to be reused? Tossed along with the body?

 

[Beerina]

Nails of Destiny

These are the four Nails of Destiny which were used to nail Jesus to the cross during his crucifixion. Their last known location was the ancient Middle East, though rumors tell of being located somewhere in Europe, probably Eastern Europe.

The nails are "octobado", or 8-sided, common back in the day when nails were hand-pounded by a blacksmith. Each nail has different properties depending on which of the 8 sides is up when it is driven into wood.

The effects are rolled by the DM for each side of each of the 4 nails from treasure and effect tables J-Q in order.

Sample:
Nail 1, Right Hand
Side ---- Effect
1 Character suffers 3d10 hp damage.
2 Character gains clairaudiance
3 10d20 gold pieces fall at the character's feet
4 Character suffers 5 permanent HP loss.
5 Character gains 5 permanent HP.
6 Nail will function as a wand of healing 3d6 x5
7 Character gains featherfall for 3 months
8 Character has geas applied to watch all Saved By The Bell episodes.



When the player nails in any 2, they also gain 1 major treasure and one major bad effect. Any 3 another. All 4 they gain the power of resurrect other, though the player must die in-between each use and be resurrected themselves.

 

[SezMe]

I'm waiting to hear what octomom has to say about the whole thing.

 

[Craig B]

What would have been done with crucifixion nails anyway? Were they valuable enough to be reused? Tossed along with the body?

I cite this from memory - it's too good to be refuted by facts - that after Constantine's gullible mother had brought back the nails some tourist-bilking swindler had sold her for a wondrous price, her son had one shaped into a bit for his horse, and the others welded to his helmet, presumably to acquire their magical protection against enemy blows.

Weird guy Constantine. He exalted Christianity above the other religions of the Roman Empire, but later Christians never managed to agree whether he was a saint or not. Militating against a unanimous acceptance of his saintliness is his murdering his son, and having his wife steamed to death in her bath. So unlike dear St Francis or Padre Pio!

 

[Foster Zygote]

"Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?"

Yes. All fifty of them. Along with enough pieces of the true cross to build one of Her Majesty's battleships.

 

[Athyrio]

"Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?"

Yes. All fifty of them. Along with enough pieces of the true cross to build one of Her Majesty's battleships.

And I own the hammer that drove those nails. Of course, over the years, the head has been replaced about 20 times and the handle about a dozen times. But it is the original - I've got a guarantee on that.

 

[devnull]

would there even have been 4 nails? I recall reading that the Roman's didnt crucify using a cross but just a pole..... so 2 nails.

Even if they did use crosses, wouldnt there be 3 nails only anyway?

And they wouldnt have been driven through the hand, but the wrist anyway.....

????

 

[MG1962]

20120826.1145

A spirit revealed that four nails were used for the hands and feet of Jesus when He was crucified. The nails were eight-sided, “octobado”. They had been retrieved from Jerusalem by Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine. It is incredible because the nails made of steel floated on the water and were brought to different places – Karpentas, Rome, Milan, and Paris.

Do I believe this? The story is also found at “Awit at salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” (in Filipino) read and sang during Holy Week in the Philippines. Any comments?

Well as we understand today, at best three nails would have been used in a standard crucification. We now have evidence the feet were fastened through both ankles and the timber with a nail about 10 inches long

 

[Craig B]

"Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?"

Yes. All fifty of them. Along with enough pieces of the true cross to build one of Her Majesty's battleships.

At least half a dozen of Jesus' foreskins too, which is more astounding than 50 nails, in my opinion. And one seventeenth century scholar even introduced the Holy Foreskin into the most advanced astronomical science of his day. See http://theholyprepuce.tumblr.com/post/7489780082

During the late 17th century, Catholic scholar and theologian Leo Allatius (Allacci Leone ) published the treatise De Praeputio Domini Nostri Jesu Christi Diatriba (“Discussion concerning the Prepuce of our Lord Jesus Christ”) in which he proposed that the Holy Foreskin had ascended into heaven at the same time as Jesus, and had become the recently observed rings of Saturn.

Images obtained in even more recent years have failed to confirm this bold speculation.

But mere nails are ten a penny!

 

[AdMan]

Are we to believe that anything that was close to Jesus is a holy relic?

Where are his Holy Underpants? I'm sure they must bear some kind of holy image.