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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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More than forty of my posts have been deleted sent to AAH or disallowed while the thread was moderated here just because I was posting repetitive spam after being told not to, and in breach of the rules to which I agreed when I joined this board anomalies that you people couldn't try to obfuscate without looking silly. Jarrah only debates on neutral ground in places where he can post insults without getting banned.

I fixed that for you - with the highlighted parts - as you seemed to have made some basic errors of fact.

Unless you have had posts disallowed while the thread was on moderated status, you have not had any posts deleted. Several of your posts have been sent to Abandon All Hope for breaching the rules to which you agreed, but they are still there in AAH for all to see.

None of your posts were moved because they contained "anomalies", but because they were linkspam which has been specifically warned against in this thread, or they contained bickering and/or irrelevance.

I recognise that when it comes to that pinnacle of human endeavour, space exploration, you have an apparent inability to understand the basics of physics, history and photography just to name a few disciplines. However, just because you don't understand things doesn't mean you have to demonstrate your lack of knowledge. You could choose to learn something about the real world.
 
More than forty of my posts have been deleted here just because I was posting anomalies that you people couldn't try to obfuscate...

No, that's not why they were deleted. They were deleted because you are a serial spammer and you have a sick obsession with certain individuals. That has been said to you in as many words on as many forums. Don't pretend your arguments are just that irrefutable.

Jarrah only debates on neutral ground.

No. Jarrah White debates only where he has full control of the discussion. When I debated him on neutral ground, he broke the rules, was disciplined for it, and then ran away and hid again.
 
More than forty of my posts have been deleted here just because I was posting anomalies that you people couldn't try to obfuscate without looking silly.

Liar. None of your posts have been deleted. Like a similar number of mine in response to them, they got moved to AbandonAllHope. None of them stand up to scientific scrutiny. All debunked, you are just too obsessed to back down.
 
You people are really getting desperate now.
Shows us that even when jumping next to bedsheets about 18 inches away, air does not move them. Busted.
Jumping up and down next to bedsheets is not a good comparison to trotting by the flag. They'd laugh you out of the debating hall for this one.

. Shows us the astronaut was close enough to touch the flag with his arm. Busted.
Once again you're misrepresenting what the video says to mislead the viewers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3fwzPGtUk
(3:45 time mark)

He also makes it clear that the flag started moving away from him before he got close enough to touch it. I have to keep posting this video to thwart your efforts to mislead the viewers. Are you going to accuse me of spamming for posting it again?

Runs past his own flag and it doesn't move until he is level with it.
Again your misrepresenting what the video says to mislead the viewers who haven't seen it.
It's very clear that it starts moving before he gets close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg

You people also keep insisting that he's four feet away when the flag starts moving. Anyone who looks at the above video can see that he's about a foot away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0
(00:47 time mark)

Six feet away, it moves more than Jarrah White's when he is level with HIS flag!
In your video the flag moves when he's four feet away. In Jarrah's video it moves when it's a foot away. Did you doctor your video?

Please give us the links, the physics, concise details or anything tangible to support your "atmosphere explanation". Perhaps you can also explain why a wind tunnel shows the exact opposite of what you claim?
The wind tunnel is not an exact comparison. Someone needs to video an exact duplication of the astronaut trotting by the flag. The reason you people don't do it is that it will prove the astronaut was in atmosphere; anyone who does it at home with some newspapers taped together will see that the newspapers move away slightly and then move back in the other direction with more force. Then they move away because of the pressure wave caused by the person's approach. They move back toward him as the air rushes back to fill the void by his passing.

Unless you have had posts disallowed while the thread was on moderated status, you have not had any posts deleted. Several of your posts have been sent to Abandon All Hope for breaching the rules to which you agreed, but they are still there in AAH for all to see.
This is very misleading. There's no notice that they were moved. They only stay there for about two weeks and then they disappear. They can only be viewed by logged in members. That is de facto deletion.

None of them stand up to scientific scrutiny. All debunked, you are just too obsessed to back down.
I posted some of them on the moon thread at Spurstalk. Click on this link...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8033032&postcount=1

...and then click on the bottom link in that post. Four of them can be seen in post #3437 on page 133; more can be seen in posts #3366 and 3380 on page 130; post #3237 on page 125. There's more but it would take me a long time to find all of it.

You people are famous for misrepresenting stuff that the viewers can't see to mislead them. People can look at the actual posts and decide for themselves who's full-of-it.
 
You people are really getting desperate now.

Bluster and crap - nobody is desperate.

Jumping up and down next to bedsheets is not a good comparison to trotting by the flag.

Of course it is, he even walked past it for good measure. He even tells us it doesn't move. Busted.

They'd laugh you out of the debating hall for this one.

Oh shutup with your spamlines.

Once again you're misrepresenting what the video says to mislead the viewers.

Liar. This point has now been made about half a dozen times and that is your pathetic response every time. That is exactly what White shows. Exactly. He concludes the astronaut was close enough, as do 2 other youtube users. The fact he dismisses it is irrelevant. He concluded it. What gets dismissed is not his call.

He also makes it clear that the flag started moving away from him before he got close enough to touch it.

Nobody disputes this, White has no business dismissing a major point because of this.

I have to keep posting this video to thwart your efforts to mislead the viewers. Are you going to accuse me of spamming for posting it again?

Spammer. This is just utterly ridiculous. The video shows EXACTLY what I said. The "viewers" on this board think you are completely wrong. There was a few hundred to 1 vote on the subject:rolleyes:

Again your misrepresenting what the video says to mislead the viewers who haven't seen it.
It's very clear that it starts moving before he gets close enough to touch it.

Spammer, how is it misleading when I address this very point. There is something extremely deceptive about you when you raise these strawman points that are not even being disputed.

You people also keep insisting that he's four feet away when the flag starts moving. Anyone who looks at the above video can see that he's about a foot away.

You can only actually see this, when the frames are toggled, as it is such a slight movement. But anybody who takes the trouble to do this frame grab will see that it moves at 6-4 feet away. Jarrah doesn't do this. You keep offering this lame excuse that you don't have a computer or a camera, so you can't do it. What person in the western world doesn't know somebody with a computer or mobile phone/video camera. Nobody. You are full of it.

In your video the flag moves when he's four feet away. In Jarrah's video it moves when it's a foot away. Did you doctor your video?

I find you and your pathetic allegations disgraceful. It seems that every piece of evidence that shows your case to be busted, must be "doctored".

ANYBODY can download this video and extract the frames, or isolate the clip. Anybody but you that is. Afraid of busting your personal spam obsession?

The wind tunnel is not an exact comparison.

Of course it is! It is scientifically the same to accelerate air into something as it is to accelerate something into air. That is how they know things fly properly, drive properly etc.

Someone needs to video an exact duplication of the astronaut trotting by the flag.

You do it.:rolleyes:

The reason you people don't do it is that it will prove the astronaut was in atmosphere;

Jarrah White did something similar and proved that Apollo 15 was in a vacuum. It is your burden of proof!

anyone who does it at home with some newspapers taped together.......

.....is a moron. Heat and air currents on thin paper indoors will never duplicate the wide open space on Apollo 15 and a nylon flag.

For the 10th time now, you have failed to provide the "atmosphere explanation". It is just like the "wave blowers" rubbish. You have nothing, and ignore whole videos presented to you.

Video showing movement from 6 feet - you say nothing or claim it is "doctored", yet I find and show the same results.

Video showing movement from 4 feet - you say nothing or claim it is "doctored", yet I find and show the same results.

Video showing movement from a wide dropping book only occurs from a few inches away and this when the air is forced sideways and back by the floor - you say nothing at all!

Video showing White's flag moves only when he is level with it - you say some total rubbish about it being more likely to move when it is 45 degrees away from him!

Video showing no movement from 1 foot away when White jumps and walks past a sheet - you just make your idiotic debating hall spamline.

Answer please
Please give us the links, the physics, concise details or anything tangible to support your "atmosphere explanation". Perhaps you can also explain why a wind tunnel shows the exact opposite of what you claim?
 
Oh...just ...shut...your...ignorant...mouth.

Is there ANY scientific achievement you won't crap on?


You are known by the company you "keep", and continually referencing JW makes you look like you can't form your own opinions.

Why don't you invite your "buddy" Jarrah, to post here? ....and when he refuses, ask him why he is such an intellectual COWARD.

That puts it rather eloquently. FF88's entire 'case' is to ignore 99.99% of the evidence for Apollo and then parrot the long debunked ramblings of the likes of Jarrah White for the other 0.01%. Neither he nor his HB idols have ever offered up anything that couldn't be explained in five seconds by someone with a grasp of engineering or physics.
FF88 has nothing original or even coherent to offer; he seems to think that repeating the same Youtube link 20 times constitutes an argument, he's sadly mistaken.
 
This is very misleading. There's no notice that they were moved. They only stay there for about two weeks and then they disappear. They can only be viewed by logged in members. That is de facto deletion.
Absolute codswallop. You get a notice that they are moved, and they remain in AAH for as long as the site is up. Anyone interested enough can check AAH regularly to see what is in there.

If you think the posts disappear after two weeks I can only assume you don't understand how forums work, and you don't understand the fact that you (or anyone else) can view posts from further back than the default with just one simple click on a drop-down box. It is true that AAH, along with several other sub-forums, can only be viewed by logged in members (in fact that is the only true thing I've ever seen in one of your posts), but that doesn't prevent your posts from being seen. Registration is free and open to all, as long as they stay within the confines of the MA.

That you are willing to misrepresent something so trivial as a few rule-breaking posts being moved to AAH into some vast moderator-led conspiracy to prevent some imaginary "viewers" reading your spam, does not inspire confidence that you represent anything in an honest light.

Come back when you have something of value to say and are prepared to be honest. Until then, you have nothing but the same tired and long-debunked appeals to your own ignorance.
 
FatFreddy, as a reader of this particular thread, I see you doing nothing apart from flood the thread with YouTube videos, of, I'm guessing, someone elses thoughts. Then there's the link back to posts where I can look at the same videos you are shilling in just about every post you make.

You ignore questions, and try to make out that people who have gone and got real qualifications just don't even come close to your University of YouTube education. Anything that you really don't like, you make accusations of them being disinformation agents.

When you do decide to say something, you use your YT education to come up with wave blowers for negative buoyancy. I've given a few divers a chuckle with that gem.

Either add something to this discussion, answer questions and lay off the spammy videos or stick to the comments section of your Almer Mater.
 
More than forty of my posts have been deleted here just because I was posting anomalies that you people couldn't try to obfuscate without looking silly.

That is a lie...the reason for any deletion is because you seem incapable of following rules.

That you would lie about something obvious to all is really alarming...your grasp on reality is slipping, and you didn't have that "tight" of hold to begin with.


Jarrah only debates on neutral ground.

translation...Jarrah only debates when he doesn't have to answer for his ignorance.

He is not interested in debate, only posting his stupid videos.
 
You people are really getting desperate now.

Yes...desperate for you to either PUT UP OR SHUT THE HELL UP.


When will you be presenting evidence that Apollo was faked???

....or when will you shut the hell up?


You really need to do one or the other.

Are you brave enough to take up that "challenge", or are you a coward like your "hero", Jarrah?
 
Once again you're misrepresenting what the video says to mislead the viewers.

Just who are these "always silent viewers" you speak of?

Try and get it through your head that no one here agrees with anything you say. There are no "viewers" impressed by you, or by your collossal ignorance.

...and if you do not believe that, then I challenge you to start a poll. find out for yourself, that no one here agrees with you.

Can you take that challenge, or will you run away from it?? will you display courage, or cowardice.

The decision is yours.
 
You people are famous for misrepresenting stuff that the viewers can't see to mislead them.

Transparent lies only reflect on you...you should be ashamed of yourself.


People can look at the actual posts and decide for themselves who's full-of-it.

Then start a poll to PROVE THAT POINT. Put up or shut up.
 
Just who are these "always silent viewers" you speak of?

Try and get it through your head that no one here agrees with anything you say. There are no "viewers" impressed by you, or by your collossal ignorance.

I've run into that before. CT loons imagine there is an invisible audience, eagerly soaking up their drivel.
 
Rocky/FatFreddy88/DavidC/cosmored, posts 8673 and 8675 are waiting for you. Still. You have a lot of explaining to do, because according to your criteria you are a paid disinformation agent, and you have done some very dishonest things in claiming support for your Magic Sand fantasy, while failing to address rebuttals explicitly refuting it according to your criteria.

Read and answer these posts in your words - no vomiting someone else's idiot youtube pap - or your unresponsiveness will serve as your admission.

I should add that I really pity you. I worked on design analysis of the power system for Curiousity, and I had quite the vicarious thrill last night witnessing the safe landing and hearing the first results indicating it was working as predicted. That thrill and that pride - knowing that we humans accomplished something so amazing - is something you'll never know, because you'be traded in your birthright for a tiny, dark, cramped world of ignorance and paranoia.

That's really sad, or at least it would be if you weren't a paid disinformation agent.
 
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Someone needs to video an exact duplication of the astronaut trotting by the flag.

How many years is it going to take you to get round to doing it yourself?

No sane person is going to do your homework for you since it would be futile: Nobody else thinks it's necessary and you would immediately reject it as 'doctored' when you didn't like what you saw.
 
No sane person is going to do your homework for you since it would be futile: Nobody else thinks it's necessary and you would immediately reject it as 'doctored' when you didn't like what you saw.

This is the result, FF, when you demonstrate your inability to discuss this topic in good faith.

Anyone else...anyone who honestly did not know something regarding Apollo, and honestly seeked that knowledge, well, we would happily fall all over ourselves explaining it to them.

But no one is going to bother with the "likes" of you...someone who can't conceive of being wrong...it's the ole' "leading the horse to water" thing.


Seriously, if you really understood how little regard we ALL have for you, and your opinions, you would fold like a house of cards in a hurricane.
 
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