HPV Vaccine Poll

[Clayton Moore]

Is it safe?

 

[cjnewson88]

Yes. It is a strong preventative of cervical cancer. The one thing I have utmost anger for is people who spread anxiety about the "dangers" of potentially life saving vaccinations. Every year children die from preventable illnesses because their parents got scared mungered by false information telling them vaccinations will cause brain damage

 

[Giordano]

Even if this poll comes out strongly pro-vaccination, which I support and am confident will happen, I must remind Clayton that scientific facts, such as safety, are not determined by polls. The "moral" question is a bit more interesting. I could never understand how anyone would think to use fear of a deadly disease, such as cervical cancer, to keep their children from having sex.

 

[LSSBB]

Even if this poll comes out strongly pro-vaccination, which I support and am confident will happen, I must remind Clayton that scientific facts, such as safety, are not determined by polls. The "moral" question is a bit more interesting. I could never understand how anyone would think to use fear of a deadly disease, such as cervical cancer, to keep their children from having sex.

+1

 

[BrianH]

Yes, for male and female. There is nothing conclusive that shows any link between adverse effects and the vaccine, aside from the issue that people may have with one of the types of vaccine (I don't remember which) if they have allergies to yeast. I think this program is particularly important where frequent medical exams are less common, as the survival rate for cervical cancer is very low if not treated early.

 

[Robrob]

Yes. It is a strong preventative of cervical cancer. The one thing I have utmost anger for is people who spread anxiety about the "dangers" of potentially life saving vaccinations. Every year children die from preventable illnesses because their parents got scared mungered by false information telling them vaccinations will cause brain damage

When they find a vaccination for HIV/AIDS, there will be people out there who will resist it for the same reasons.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Even if this poll comes out strongly pro-vaccination, which I support and am confident will happen, I must remind Clayton that scientific facts, such as safety, are not determined by polls. The "moral" question is a bit more interesting. I could never understand how anyone would think to use fear of a deadly disease, such as cervical cancer, to keep their children from having sex.

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/140543977/hpv-vaccine-the-science-behind-the-controversy

HPV Vaccine: The Science Behind The Controversy

by Richard Knox

But Dr. Diane Harper, a professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine, says the vaccine is being way oversold.

That's pretty striking, because Harper worked on studies that got the vaccines approved. And she has accepted grants from the manufacturers, although she says she doesn't any longer.

Harper changed her mind when the vaccine makers started lobbying state legislatures to require schoolkids to get vaccinated.

"Ninety-five percent of women who are infected with HPV never, ever get cervical cancer," she says. "It seemed very odd to be mandating something for which 95 percent of infections never amount to anything."

By Harper's calculations, the tried-and-true method of regular Pap smears is a more effective way to prevent cervical cancer than the vaccines. "Pap smear screening is far and away the biggest thing a woman can do to protect herself, to prevent cervical cancer," she says.

 

[Robrob]

HPV Vaccine: The Science Behind The Controversy

by Richard Knox

But Dr. Diane Harper, a professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine, says the vaccine is being way oversold.

That's pretty striking, because Harper worked on studies that got the vaccines approved. And she has accepted grants from the manufacturers, although she says she doesn't any longer.

Harper changed her mind when the vaccine makers started lobbying state legislatures to require schoolkids to get vaccinated.

"Ninety-five percent of women who are infected with HPV never, ever get cervical cancer," she says. "It seemed very odd to be mandating something for which 95 percent of infections never amount to anything."

By Harper's calculations, the tried-and-true method of regular Pap smears is a more effective way to prevent cervical cancer than the vaccines. "Pap smear screening is far and away the biggest thing a woman can do to protect herself, to prevent cervical cancer," she says.

So your point is:

1) One of the many researchers feels the efficacy of the vaccine in preventing cancer has been "oversold?"

2) She doesn't think it worthwhile to save the 5% of persons with HPV who will get cancer?

3) Yes, regular Pap smears are an effective way to detect cancer you already have before it gets out of hand. Do pap smears prevent HPV or prevent cancer?

 

[Giordano]

Approximately one in four women become infected by HPV. If "only" 5% develop cervical cancer, and there are approximately 150 million women in the US alone, that is over 1.5 million women who will develop cervical cancer as a result of not being vaccinated.

Pap smears do not prevent cervical cancer- they catch it earlier and result in surgical removal of the dysplastic or malignant tissue.

Sorry- the vaccine is clearly the right decision.

 

[cjnewson88]

Tell me Clayton, how do you feel knowing the disinformation and anxiety you're spreading about vaccinations causes the unnecessary death of hundreds of people a year?

 

[Giordano]

Robrob. ,
You type faster than I can...

 

[Clayton Moore]

http://truthaboutgardasil.org/

The Truth About Gardasil
June 11, 2012
By admin
The Truth About Gardasil

Gardasil is the HPV vaccine, touted to fight cervical cancer. What they are not telling you is that thousands of girls are having adverse reactions to the HPV Vaccines, some have even died -at last count, at least 103 lives have been lost. We have got to do something about this. These girls need our help! These girls are having reactions such as; seizures, strokes, dizziness, fatigue, weakness, headaches, stomach pains, vomitting, muscle pain and weakness, joint pain, auto-immune problems, chest pains, hair loss, appetite loss, personality changes, insomnia, hand/leg tremors, arm/leg weakness, shortness of breath, heart problems, paralysis, itching, rashes, swelling, aching muscles,pelvic pain, nerve pain, menstrual cycle changes, fainting, swollen lymph nodes, night sweats, nausea, temporary vision/hearing loss just to name some of them!

“One More Girl” – A Documentary
June 17, 2012
By Marian

Gardasil® Developer Claims Vaccine Prevents Abnormal Pap Tests, Not Cervical Cancer.
May 14, 2012
By Marian

 

[Giordano]

Tell me Clayton, how do you feel knowing the disinformation and anxiety you're spreading about vaccinations causes the unnecessary death of hundreds of people a year?

The good news is that he often is his own worse enemy in these threads. I am sure more people come away convinced by the safety of vaccines after reading his posts than before.

 

[Giordano]

Snip

 

[cjnewson88]

The good news is that he often is his own worse enemy in these threads. I am sure more people come away convinced by the safety of vaccines after reading his posts than before.

The problem is it's not confined to websites like this, and very few people look into these claims enough to be bothered reading entire forum threads on the subject. They just believe them at face value. In NZ we're having a lot of problems with children falling ill and either dying or coming away with life long implications because their parents choosing not to vaccinate them against preventable illnesses, and it's because of rubbish like Clayton spreads going through places like Facebook and word of mouth that parents get this anxiety about vaccinations and chose not to vaccinate them in the first place

 

[Giordano]

Clayton,
You might want to research Dr. Harper's views in more detail. Not surprisingly they are not exactly what you might think based on what crazed websites claim. Here is one interview:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcia-g-yerman/an-interview-with-dr-dian_b_405472.html
Although her position is nuanced, she is clearly not dogmatically anti-vaccine and would likely be horrified by your position. One of her key points is that women choosing to rely on the HPV vaccine should remember to get booster vaccinations! And this is in the Huffington Post, known for often supporting anti-vax positions!

Do you ever research the information you cut and paste?

 

[Giordano]

The problem is it's not confined to websites like this, and very few people look into these claims enough to be bothered reading entire forum threads on the subject. They just believe them at face value. In NZ we're having a lot of problems with children falling ill and either dying or coming away with life long implications because their parents choosing not to vaccinate them against preventable illnesses, and it's because of rubbish like Clayton spreads going through places like Facebook and word of mouth that parents get this anxiety about vaccinations and chose not to vaccinate them in the first place

I share your anger in that vaccinations are among the greatest discoveries in history, and these mis-guided vaccine deniers are telling lies and propagating ignorance.. I am eternally grateful to all the individuals, from Pasteur on, who have contributed to vaccine development because they have directly helped protect my children from the diseases that killed so many in the recent past.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Tell me Clayton, how do you feel knowing the disinformation and anxiety you're spreading about vaccinations causes the unnecessary death of hundreds of people a year?

Do you know that the lemming approach of dealing with unbridled authority is the chickens way out?


Yes. Every girl and boy should be vaccinated. 14 93.33%
Yes. Every girl should be vaccinated. 0 0%
Yes, even though I have some reservations. 0 0%
No. I'm worried about possible side effects. 1 6.67%
No. I have moral objections to it. 0 0%
No, but for reasons other than those provided. 0 0%

 

[Giordano]

Do you know that the lemming approach of dealing with unbridled authority is the chickens way out?


Yes. Every girl and boy should be vaccinated. 14 93.33%
Yes. Every girl should be vaccinated. 0 0%
Yes, even though I have some reservations. 0 0%
No. I'm worried about possible side effects. 1 6.67%
No. I have moral objections to it. 0 0%
No, but for reasons other than those provided. 0 0%

1. Mixed metaphor! Lemmings don't chicken out. As it turns out, they don' t even commit mass suicide as once believed.

2. Let me get this right- the complete absence of support for your position in this poll so far is evidence- in favor of your position? You only began the poll to prove to us what lemmings we were? If everyone supported the existence of gravity in a poll, would that be a sign of unquestioning acceptance of authority?

 

[1337m4n]

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/140543977/hpv-vaccine-the-science-behind-the-controversy

HPV Vaccine: The Science Behind The Controversy

by Richard Knox

And I'm sure 95% of instances of drunk driving don't result in fatalities. Let's tell everyone it's perfectly okay.

5% is an unacceptably high amount. You would realize that if you weren't so lost in Truthland 24/7.

Do you know that the lemming approach of dealing with unbridled authority is the chickens way out?

That doesn't make sense as a metaphor or even a sentence.