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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
If you ignore the ill effects of vaccines I'm sorry to say it will hit home. Vaccines are, over all, bad medicine.

What do you think a babies immune system thinks when it encounters 9 separate instances of aluminum, formaldehyde, foreign tissue, vaccine yadda, yadda, yadda?

You people need to wake up and understand the why vaccine makers can't be sued and why there is a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
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I assume that one reason for this court is to allow claims to be judged by people with a strong and appropriate knowledge of biology and medicine, rather than by people who are totally ignorant of the science and who have developed a highly emotional, irrational fear of vaccinations based on browsing crazy websites.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You people need to wake up and understand the why vaccine makers can't be sued and why there is a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
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You mean the one that according to your own source, allows for:
Denied claims <to> be pursued in civil courts
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Or the one that (again, your source) is so universal that

In March 2006, the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that plaintiffs suing three manufacturers of thiomersal could bypass the vaccine court and litigate in either state or federal court utilizing the ordinary channels for recovery in tort (Holder v. Abbott Laboratories Inc., 444 F.3d 383).
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*Read* your sources before you post, because we certainly will, after...
 
Clayton Moore said:
If you ignore the ill effects of vaccines I'm sorry to say it will hit home. Vaccines are, over all, bad medicine.

What do you think a babies immune system thinks when it encounters 9 separate instances of aluminum, formaldehyde, foreign tissue, vaccine yadda, yadda, yadda?
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It doesn't think anything. It's a series of chemical and biological reactions.

You people need to wake up and understand the why vaccine makers can't be sued and why there is a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
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What I find interesting is that you respond to a request to prove your claims with more useless blather and incredulity.
 
Clayton Moore said:
If you ignore the ill effects of vaccines I'm sorry to say it will hit home. Vaccines are, over all, bad medicine.

What do you think a babies immune system thinks when it encounters 9 separate instances of aluminum, formaldehyde, foreign tissue, vaccine yadda, yadda, yadda?

You people need to wake up and understand the why vaccine makers can't be sued and why there is a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_court
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Then why is this baby...


Not only doing just fine, but is 1-2 months ahead in development even though he has had every vaccination recommended by his doctors?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Certainly the symptoms that presented themselves when the toddlers were 18 months old caused by old fathers would have been noticed and written about.
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you mean symptoms very likely to be diagnosed as mental retardation or psycopathy?
You mean an "epidemic" that results in a few percent more such persons than occured when? Sometime before 1900 when the average age of fatherhood was significantly less than it was in 1900?
 
And it's in even poorer taste to propose a scenario in which that precious gift stands a far greater chance of permanent disability or death solely on the strength of your hard-won ignorance of the science involved. Or, as you like to put it: Is he lying?

Got even a single documented case of that "instant death" thing? How about a legitimate study showing a link between autism and vaccines? Figured out why your G.I. tract claim was so idiotic?

Why don't you go ask that 10 y.o. for more medical advice...
 
jaydeehess said:
Clayton , I suppose, believes you got lucky or that if he develops any illness at any time before he turns 30, that it will have been the result of those nasty vaccines.
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Looks like he's just gonna dodge.
 
jaydeehess said:
Clayton , I suppose, believes you got lucky or that if he develops any illness at any time before he turns 30, that it will have been the result of those nasty vaccines.
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Well, my own MissArisia is halfway to 30 at this point and has had all vaccinations required and recommended here in MA, and is healthy in every possible way. How dare any anti-vaxxer tell me I'm obviously too ignorant or stupid to know how 'dangerous' vaccines are and I'm blindly/stupidly putting my child at risk! :rolleyes:
 
Or maybe I shouldn't invest too much energy in countering CM's stuff, this thread is getting to smell like the underside of a fairytale bridge, much like the Birther thread and the Denier thread.
 
Clayton Moore said:
If you ignore the ill effects of vaccines I'm sorry to say it will hit home. Vaccines are, over all, bad medicine.

What do you think a babies immune system thinks when it encounters 9 separate instances of aluminum, formaldehyde, foreign tissue, vaccine yadda, yadda, yadda?
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Aluminum and Formaldehyde are both safe. Aluminum helps make the vaccine more effective, plus the amount of Aluminum is so minuet, baby formula has the exact same dose.
Production of Formaldehyde occurs naturally in the human body, so of course the minuscule amount in a vaccination is easily broken down by our bodies!

As for foreign tissue, the only thing you need to worry about for an infant would be allergies. "Influenza and yellow fever vaccines are produced in eggs, so egg
proteins are present in the final product and can cause allergic reaction. Measles and mumps vaccines are made in chick embryo cells in culture, not in eggs. The much smaller amount of remaining egg proteins found in the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine does not usually cause a reaction in egg allergic children."

Sources:

http: //ww w.aap. org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/ Documents/Vaccineingredients.pdf

http ://ww w.ncbi.nlm.nih .gov/pubmed/ 14871632

Conclusion: Your child will be fine after being vaccinated.
 
RabbitHabits said:
Aluminum and Formaldehyde are both safe. Aluminum helps make the vaccine more effective, plus the amount of Aluminum is so minuet, baby formula has the exact same dose.
Production of Formaldehyde occurs naturally in the human body, so of course the minuscule amount in a vaccination is easily broken down by our bodies!

As for foreign tissue, the only thing you need to worry about for an infant would be allergies. "Influenza and yellow fever vaccines are produced in eggs, so egg
proteins are present in the final product and can cause allergic reaction. Measles and mumps vaccines are made in chick embryo cells in culture, not in eggs. The much smaller amount of remaining egg proteins found in the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine does not usually cause a reaction in egg allergic children."

Sources:

http: //ww w.aap. org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/ Documents/Vaccineingredients.pdf

http ://ww w.ncbi.nlm.nih .gov/pubmed/ 14871632

Conclusion: Your child will be fine after being vaccinated.
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You need to read the links I provided.
 
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