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Julia Gillard - liar

uvar said:
Just a note about your quote, HGE: the first paragraph is from her answer to the question "Did you contract all of those works to the one subcontractor or builder or did you manage them yourself?" and omits the first 472 words (discussing various people she did mostly hire directly). The second paragraph is from a later question, "In terms of the tradesmen who did the work in those areas, who were they?" and omits the final sentence of her answer, "I've had occasion over the course of the weekend to look through my personal records in relation to this matter and I do have a series of receipts from various of them about bits of the work that was done". (She later gives an example of an item without a receipt - a "truly hideous" brick fence that she didn't ask for and never paid for.)

While the section you quoted might give the impression that "the tradies were all arranged by an AWU organiser" the actual transcript (as provided in The Australian) does not.


You honestly don't know, or is that just a figure of speech? Perhaps because they didn't know the answers to the questions they asked and wanted to find out. That's generally the point of an interview.
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Perhaps it would help if some of these tradies that she paid money to came forward and said something "Oh yes, I remember Julie, paid on the button, in cash and insisted on a receipt."

Because as far as I can tell - and I have not seen the transcript - it appears that Slater and Gordon did not ask to see any receipts (and it would be quite a difficult for an employer to insist on that) and so even if she was in possession of unseen receipts that doesn't mean they were paid by her.

Anyway, we know it is bad because Gillard has played the Sexist card, no the Very Sexist card.

I get the feeling even if were all true, Labour supporters here wouldn't give a damn.
 
Her Grey Eminence said:
Perhaps it would help if some of these tradies that she paid money to came forward and said something "Oh yes, I remember Julie, paid on the button, in cash and insisted on a receipt."

Because as far as I can tell - and I have not seen the transcript - it appears that Slater and Gordon did not ask to see any receipts (and it would be quite a difficult for an employer to insist on that) and so even if she was in possession of unseen receipts that doesn't mean they were paid by her.

Anyway, we know it is bad because Gillard has played the Sexist card, no the Very Sexist card.

I get the feeling even if were all true, Labour supporters here wouldn't give a damn.
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A really pathetic post lacking any substance at all. This storm in a teacup is 17 years old FFS.
 
Would I be correct in assuming Bill The Greek was the person who built the fence she did not ask for and therefore did not pay?

Probably just as well she is on record as saying she did not pay him, because I don't suppose Bill the Greek would be feeling particularly well disposed towards her.

But I don't see why the rest of the tradies should have a grudge? Bring out Con, I say!
 
You remember the details of payments you made to a tradie 17 years go?

Well, maybe you do, but Gillard may very well have had other priorities.
 
lionking said:
You remember the details of payments you made to a tradie 17 years go?

Well, maybe you do, but Gillard may very well have had other priorities.
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Well perhaps the AWU official who organized them could help? Look I am not saying Gillard should remember them, I am saying if anyone does remember doing this work - it seems like it caused a bit of a stir at the time - wouldn't it be great if they came forward and tell us they remember Julia stuffing bank notes into their little hot hands? That would shove it up the Oz.

Just a thought. Bring forth Con!
 
Her Grey Eminence said:
Would I be correct in assuming Bill The Greek was the person who built the fence she did not ask for and therefore did not pay?

Probably just as well she is on record as saying she did not pay him, because I don't suppose Bill the Greek would be feeling particularly well disposed towards her.

But I don't see why the rest of the tradies should have a grudge? Bring out Con, I say!
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If you'd the read the transcript, Gillard's a little more direct than that!
...He, you know, he pleased as punch sort of said he had built it for me. That he had built it for me. Whether that means he himself did it, given Bill's obvious difficulties with the truth I no longer know.

PG: What are Bill's obvious difficulties with the truth?

JG: He's just a big Greek ******** artist.
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While Peter Gordon never specifically asks for receipts in the redaction version of the transcript available to me, he does ask for contact details for contractors:
PG: OK. Julia, it would be helpful to us if we could have copies of those.

JG: Yes.

PG: Do you have a problem with supplying them to us?

JG: No, no problem at all.
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Of course, if you doubt the receipts are real (which would imply the contractors were in on it) I'm sure that having the contractors directly lie to Peter wouldn't be much of a stretch.
 
Gillard, from the press conference today:

It wouldn't matter what I said, and it wouldn't matter what documents were produced, and it wouldn't matter what anybody else said - they will pursue this claim for motivations of their own which are malicious and not in any way associated with the facts.
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Sums this thread up nicely.
 
uvar said:
If you'd the read the transcript, Gillard's a little more direct than that!


While Peter Gordon never specifically asks for receipts in the redaction version of the transcript available to me, he does ask for contact details for contractors:

Of course, if you doubt the receipts are real (which would imply the contractors were in on it) I'm sure that having the contractors directly lie to Peter wouldn't be much of a stretch.
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Well contractors might lie about a dodgy deal, but in this case I don't know if the contractor details were provided in the end or whether once provided they were contacted by Gordon. All he said was nothing was found that contradicted Gillard's story, but perhaps he thought it wise not to look.

Presumably if they were provided this "scandal" is over. Julia Gillard asks S and G to release their names and then the media interviews them and its all over red rover - at least as far as the renovations go.

Why let this drag on as long as the very sexist campaign about Keating's piggery?
 
Laton said:
Gillard, from the press conference today:



Sums this thread up nicely.
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Yeap, no documents will be produced, no confirming contractors will come forward - why? Because Australians are deeply sexist and won't believe any evidece and quite simply don't deserve to have such a wonderful Prime Minister as Julia Gillard.

Mean while, any thoughts on why no one will mention the credit card slips relating to Craig Thomson have been falsified?

We are turning into a nation of compliant unquestioning drones aren't we?
 
No, because some people are latching onto this rubbish like the birthers onto accusations that Obama wasn't born in the US.

If a tradie had come forward in the last few days to provide corroboration like you ask for, I have no doubts that we would now be hearing about how 'convenient' it is that he was found so fast and that he would remember doing a job 17 years ago (union plant/shill etc).
 
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Laton said:
No, because some people are latching onto this rubbish like the birthers onto accusations that Obama wasn't born in the US.

If a tradie had come forward in the last few days to provide corroboration like you ask for, I have no doubts that we would now be hearing about how 'convenient' it is that he was found so fast and that he would remember doing a job 17 years ago (union plant/shill etc).
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Is that any reason not to do it?

At least it would undercut the Oz - isn't that incentive enough? Up to you of course, if you guys think it best to stonewall I expect you know better than me.
 
OK, forget about bringing out Con - it turns out he was one of the signatories of Account (I) of the dodgy bank accounts Wilson set up.

I am guessing any work "Con" did would have been in the nature of a freebie.
 
uvar said:
Not as obsequious as the one for Glenn Milne, but still an apology.
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It seems to me they are apologising for the misuse of one little thing. They use the term "trust fund" and not "slush fund". In my minds eye the latter is worse than the former.

uvar said:
One last thing for now, about Larry Pickering again - holy **** he is a massive racist
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Seems Gillard is too:

He, you know, he pleased as punch sort of said he had built it for me. That he had built it for me. Whether that means he himself did it, given Bill's obvious difficulties with the truth I no longer know.

PG: What are Bill's obvious difficulties with the truth?

JG: He's just a big Greek ******** artist. [/I]
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She hates Greeks?
 
A.A. Alfie said:
It seems to me they are apologising for the misuse of one little thing. They use the term "trust fund" and not "slush fund". In my minds eye the latter is worse than the former.



Seems Gillard is too:



She hates Greeks?
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Utterly hilarious. Calling someone a Greek is now racist?

Do you deny that Pickering's comments about Jews was clearly racist?

Do you consider Gillard's comment to be in the same ballpark? Hell, same planet?
 
Laton said:
Gillard, from the press conference today:



Sums this thread up nicely.
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Yup, excellent summary.

Back to Abbott's lies, you only have to look back a day. He stated that the mining tax had a lot to do with the Olympic Dam delay. The mining tax doesn't apply to Olympic. An out and out lie designed to convince Western Sydneysiders about how evil the tax is.

Secondly, he said that he didn't read the BHP press release (a whole one page long), yet today he said that he did. One of these comments is a lie.

The worst opposition leader ever can't get through a single day without lying.
 
lionking said:
Utterly hilarious. Calling someone a Greek is now racist?
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If someone said:

"He is nothing but an aboriginal cowtish artist", would that be racist?

Or

"He is nothing but a Jewish cowtish artist" would that be racist?

There was no reason to use the word "Greek" for any reason, except in a derogatory manner. If I had said the same thing I would expect to be brought to task and rightly so.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
If someone said:

"He is nothing but an aboriginal cowtish artist", would that be racist?

Or

"He is nothing but a Jewish cowtish artist" would that be racist?

There was no reason to use the word "Greek" for any reason, except in a derogatory manner. If I had said the same thing I would expect to be brought to task and rightly so.
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Evasion noted.
 
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