Item: Neil Abercrombie, Hawaii governor drops mission to dispel birthers, prove Obama was born in state
BY ALIYAH SHAHID
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Saturday, January 22, 2011
http://articles.nydailynews.com/201...ical-hospital-hawaii-governor-president-obama
"Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie is giving up on efforts to squash claims that President Barack Obama wasn't born in his state -- but it's not for lack of trying."
Item: Thursday, January 20th, 2011
Hawiian Reporter
Governor Ambercrombie Fails to prove Obama was Born in Hawaii
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/gov-n...-failed-to-prove-obama-was-born-in-hawaii/123
BY ROBERT PAUL REYES
"President Barack Obama has been unable to dispel the rumors that that he wasn`t born in the United States....
Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who took office in December, told Honolulu`s Star-Advertiser on Tuesday that `our investigation` indicates there is a recording of his birth. 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.The new Democratic head of the state vowed when he took office that he would do his best to end the debate over Obama`s birth, which began in 2008 during the presidential campaign... To state that "officials have tracked down papers indicating that President Obama was indeed born in Hawaii" falls woefully short of proving that Obama is a citizen of the United States. To claim that "our investigation `indicates there is a recording of his birth" doesn`t mean Jack."
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Based on the above news articles and commentary, the following is a
hypthetical imagined conversation between Hawaii Governor Neil Ambercrombie and the Attorney General of Hawaii. Although the conversation is imagined, The remarks concerning Hawiian customs, practices and the law itself are gleaned from Sheriff' Joe's chief investigator, Mike Zullo at Sheriff Joe's July 27 news conference which can be viewed in its entireity at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alVzyfptF80
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Governor Ambercrombie:. Mr. Attorney General, I want to see the original birth certificate of Barack Obama. Lot's of people question its existence and I'd like to assure everyone that the Governor has seen it and it is real so that the controversy does not affect the next election.
Attorney General: Governor, I really wish you wouldn't pursue this. It's a sensitive subject and there are laws about releasing such information including an individual`s birth documentation without the person`s consent.
Gov.: But I'm the Governor of the state of Hawaii, and all I want to do is see the Birth Certificate in order to verify that it exists.
AG: : Governor, I do hope you will keep this confidential, but the real reason I can't show you his Birth Certificate is because, ah well... , we don't exactly have it. All we have is a notation -- a Declaration that someone -- possibly his grandparents -- made about his birth, but no actual Birth Certificate.
Gov: Why his grandparents?
AG: Because the address of the declarer on the notation was the address of his Grandparents and that's the address we've placed on his Certification of Live Birth.
Gov: But how can that be? How can someone make a declaration of a birth that may not have even occurred in Hawaii??
AG: The 1955 Revised Laws which were in effect in 1961 allowed for anyone who claimed to have witnessed a birth, to register that birth. The State of Hawaii accepted testimony of that birth even though unsworn and even though there was no investigative unit to documnent the truth or the accuracy of the unsworn testimony.The law says that any relative or even the person himself can make such a declaration, at any time, whether 6 months or even 60 years after the birth. The idea was to accomodate military families and others who because of employment were stationed outside of Hawaii. We do have a notation of Mr. Obama's Declaration of his birth, but not a birth certifcate.
GOV. Well, then a notation or "Declaration" -- That means it proves he was born in Hawaii, doesn't it?
AG; Ah well, not necessarily. You see, the law provides for such a "declaration" of birth even if the birth occurred outside of Hawaii or even outside of the country. Even an actual Birth Certificate issued by the State of Hawaii only proves that the State has a record of the birth on file, not that the information is necessarily true or accurate. A Hawaiian Birth Certificate is therefore worthless in terms of its evidenciary or probative value. Thus, in order to vet a President, you would have to have some other supporting documentation, such as hospital records.
Gov: So you have a "Notation" that he was born, but you can't prove he was born in Hawaii via a "Declaration???
AG: Exactly.
Gov: But isn't that fraud???
AG: Actually, no. It's the law.
GOV: But what about that
Certification of Live Birth document that you released?
AG: Well as it happens, when some of those right wing crazies started to question the citizenship of the President, we were really in a bind. We couldn't very well say that we have a "Declaration" but not a Birth Certificate, which really coudn't prove the President was born here, so in order to quiet things down and prevent a Constitutional crisis, we had to simply make up a document --
a Certification of Live Birth. And it was truthful to the extent that we certainly know he was born
someplace, and perhaps even in Hawaii but we could not prove it. So, we had no other choice but to make up the document based on the Declaration somebody -- perhaps his grandparents -- submitted. Governor, as you and I both know, In life, and especially in politics, sometimes you've just got to do what you've got to do. If the truth of this ever got out to the press and the public, it would not only ruin the Presidency, but might be a fatal blow to the Democrat Party as well as the country. Please do not pursue this matter any further. If you do happen to mention anything of what I have told you, I will deny we ever had this conversation or tell the press that you simply misunderstood what I said. Because if this controversy continues and we continue to get pressured from the White House, we may have to create a
Long Form Birth Certificate for the President, and that would indeed be totally illegal. So you see why what I have told you must be kept confidential?
Gov: Hmmmm.
