Personal assaults on Obama

JoeTheJuggler said:
Wait a minute, I thought you said Obama should have credited Bush. Which is it, share credit it with his predecessor or don't mention any credit for any executive decisions?

Or is it maybe that there was absolutely nothing that Obama could have said that would make you happy because you wish it weren't Obama who oversaw the taking of OBL?
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False dichotomy. It is entirely possible to give credit to others and not mention your own role. Good leaders do it all the time. If you think I care one iota about who was in the White House when our military succeeded in killing Bin Laden, you are projecting your own mindless partisanship onto me, that's all.
 
Augustine said:
The current CinC should be willing to take 100% of the blame. "The buck stops here", right? That's what leadership is. This really is not a difficult concept. Credit is shared, responsibility is owned. I know lieutenants who can master this concept more quickly.
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And since you have already admitted that President Obama has shared credit for the killing of OBL, what are you going on about?

Right-wing spin is both hilarious and sad to see :popcorn1
 
MattusMaximus said:
And since you have already admitted that President Obama has shared credit for the killing of OBL, what are you going on about?

Right-wing spin is both hilarious and sad to see :popcorn1
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It's not right-wing spin; it's Leadership 101.

You're a teacher, right? If you had an academic team from your school win an award, and you were announcing the winning of that award, would you make sure to tell everyone that you wrote the lesson plans prior to praising the students for their hard work? Would you make sure that everyone knew what you did first?
 
Augustine said:
False dichotomy. It is entirely possible to give credit to others and not mention your own role.
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That's not what I challenged you on. It's not possible to give no credit to leaders and to credit past leaders. You have asserted both positions. You said good leaders should only credit subordinates, and you also said Obama should have credited Bush (though you've yet to say what for).

And the stuff about Bush is moot anyway because Obama did indeed credit everyone who'd been working to get OBL the past 10 years.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
That's not what I challenged you on. It's not possible to give no credit to leaders and to credit past leaders. You have asserted both positions. You said good leaders should only credit subordinates, and you also said Obama should have credited Bush (though you've yet to say what for).

And the stuff about Bush is moot anyway because Obama did indeed credit everyone who'd been working to get OBL the past 10 years.
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You said "which is it, share credit with his predecessor or not mention any credit of any executive decisions" and that is a false dichotomy as I pointed out. It is entirely possible to graciously credit the work of your predecessor without feeling the need to call attention to your own role. This is done all the time by good leaders.
 
Leadership 101 is for losers and amateurs. Obama is a well educated professional and was just exhibiting lessons from the much more advanced course, "Leadership 403", where they teach that factual statements count. :D Whining is for children.
 
Olowkow said:
Leadership 101 is for losers and amateurs. Obama is a well educated professional and was just exhibiting lessons from the much more advanced course, "Leadership 403", where they teach that factual statements count. :D Whining is for children.
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Rumor has it, Obama tested out of Leadership 101 at Harvard and went straight into the core curriculum. :D
 
Olowkow said:
Leadership 101 is for losers and amateurs. Obama is a well educated1 professional2 and was just exhibiting lessons from the much more advanced course, "Leadership 403", where they teach that factual statements count.
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1. Not in evidence. More likely, he's an economically illiterate affirmative action baby.
2. "Professional" what? Rabble-rouser?
 
Malcolm Kirkpatrick said:
1. Not in evidence. More likely, he's an economically illiterate affirmative action baby.
2. "Professional" what? Rabble-rouser?
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Well, he's been one hell of a good president though, in spite of his total lack of talent, education, charisma, whiteness and wit, and his reckless abandon of foreign policy. :rolleyes:

Me, I'm with Obama. Don't like him? Vote for "other": Romney/Ryan. Vote for the guys who want to lie to you, speak in platitudes, and fawn over each other, while giggling and squealing about how if you just buy their spiel that they can make you rich, you will be happy happy joy joy.

I honestly don't get how anyone can cheer Romney on...what the hell does he believe in? Hate Obama? Okay, I can understand where that comes from, it's a generational thing.

But believing Romney's BS? Why not Perry or Bachmann or Palin? All the same. Just vote in a sycophant republican who will be a yes man for the Koch brothers.

It's frankly worse than a vote for Chauncey Gardener.

 
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Augustine said:
It's not right-wing spin; it's Leadership 101.

You're a teacher, right? If you had an academic team from your school win an award, and you were announcing the winning of that award, would you make sure to tell everyone that you wrote the lesson plans prior to praising the students for their hard work? Would you make sure that everyone knew what you did first?
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Having actually graduated from military courses which could properly be termed "Leadership 101" I have to say the whole kerfluffle astounds me. I thought the Commander in Chief gave proper credit where credit was due, many, many times - during the initial announcement as well as in later press conferences.

I'd love to hear how the arm-chair quarterbacks think the announcement should have been worded? :rolleyes:
 
Robrob said:
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I'd love to hear how the arm-chair quarterbacks think the announcement should have been worded? :rolleyes:
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Same here. Perhaps,

"Ladies and gentlemen, the military took action tonight and killed OBL. They were not told to do so by anyone, but they got together and realized it was what George Bush would have wanted."
 
MattusMaximus said:
*Sigh*

Reading stuff like that almost makes me lose hope for humanity...
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Welcome to Club Misanthrope. We'll get you a "People Suck" t-shirt as soon as possible.

Augustine said:
I have explained that good leaders give credit to subordinates. "Oh, but Obama gave credit to the military team that did this." "Yes, after he made sure he told everyone what he did first." "B..b..but he gave them credit!" It's poor leadership. If you can't see that, or don't want to admit that, it doesn't change it.
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Obama strolls down the red carpet hallway and looks level into the camera as the world watches to see what is going on.

"Good evening," he starts, "earlier today American soldiers executed an operation that I had no part in, did not approve and was not even aware of until it had already started. I, of course, wished for it to fail as I hate our country and all it stands for. I even bet Biden one of the SEALs would trip and shoot a fellow soldier. Looks like I owe him a beer."

Obama shifts his weight to one leg and cocks his fingers in a playful gunshot mime to someone off camera. Presumably Biden who's voice can be heard chiming in, "make sure it is a lager and I hate our nation too!"

Barack now drops his hands to his side and looks back at the camera, "of course all the credit goes to the great George W Bush, hallowed be his name, in spite of the fact that his administration hamstrung every effort to win the War on Terror with crony appointments and contradictory orders. All praise be to him."

He again shifts his weight to just one leg, "it is really kinda funny. I'm supposed to be the Commander in Chief but I really have no idea what anyone in the military does. I just found out last week that the Coast Guard is administrated by the Department of Homeland Defense. Did you all know that? The freaking Coast Guard! And we totally have a naval base somewhere named Qatar. That's a real place apparently. Freaking Qatar.

Anyways, the important thing is that America scored a major victory today. One that my incredibly incompetent predecessor gets all the credit for even though his actions in no way whatsoever helped it happen. I will now go back to Ayers living room to continue to try and wage a war against America from within while praying to Allah who I don't actually believe exists....because of colonialism or something. Apparently my dad that I hardly knew hated it."
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Augustine said:
Obama accomplished? But I thought he gave credit to the ten years of tireless work of military and counterterrorism professionals? Whose accomplishment was it again?

(Interesting use of the word "hate" - when, in another thread, Travis said Ryan was evil and the world would be better when he was dead - a remark clearly full of hate - the word " hate" was not mentioned. When I point out that the President's speech announcing US responsibility for killing Bin Laden contained some unseemly personal focus on himself, somehow I "really seem to hate"...:rolleyes:)
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I'm flattered you noticed.

And I stand by it. Anyone that thinks the way you deal with the poor, disabled and sick is to just let them die earns the moniker of "evil" and all the hate I can muster for anyone that doesn't actually commit war crimes.

Malcolm Kirkpatrick said:
1. Not in evidence. More likely, he's an economically illiterate affirmative action baby.
2. "Professional" what? Rabble-rouser?
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Yes, clearly no black person ever earns anything...unless it involves pizza.
 
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Travis said:
Malcolm Kirkpatrick said:
Esperdome said:
Rumor has it, Obama tested out of Leadership 101 at Harvard and went straight into the core curriculum.
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1. Not in evidence. More likely, he's an economically illiterate affirmative action baby.
2. "Professional" what? Rabble-rouser?
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Yes, clearly no black person ever earns anything...unless it involves pizza.
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One sees this attribution of "all-or-nothing" thinking often in this forum. I suppose that those who indulge in the attribution find it comforting.

I know personally a black soil scientist, a black Public Health PhD, a black Math Phd, and a black Psychology Phd. I doubt any of them needed or benefitted from affirmative action. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams are too old to have benefitted from affirmative action, and they are quite economically literate. Unlike our current President.
 
Robrob said:
Having actually graduated from military courses which could properly be termed "Leadership 101" I have to say the whole kerfluffle astounds me. I thought the Commander in Chief gave proper credit where credit was due, many, many times - during the initial announcement as well as in later press conferences.

I'd love to hear how the arm-chair quarterbacks think the announcement should have been worded? :rolleyes:
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These "soldiers" know that they are lying. But they do not care.
 
Robrob said:
Having actually graduated from military courses which could properly be termed "Leadership 101" I have to say the whole kerfluffle astounds me. I thought the Commander in Chief gave proper credit where credit was due, many, many times - during the initial announcement as well as in later press conferences.

I'd love to hear how the arm-chair quarterbacks think the announcement should have been worded? :rolleyes:
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Once I read this, I realized continuing the debate was futile.
 
Malcolm Kirkpatrick said:
One sees this attribution of "all-or-nothing" thinking often in this forum. I suppose that those who indulge in the attribution find it comforting.

I know personally a black soil scientist, a black Public Health PhD, a black Math Phd, and a black Psychology Phd. I doubt any of them needed or benefitted from affirmative action. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams are too old to have benefitted from affirmative action, and they are quite economically literate. Unlike our current President.
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The "some of my best friends are black" defense?

Not to mention the "argument from ignorance."

Malcolm Kirkpatrick said:
1. Not in evidence. More likely, he's an economically illiterate affirmative action baby.
2. "Professional" what? Rabble-rouser?
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Out of curiosity, what would prompt you to describe a graduate of:

Occidental College
Columbia College (B.A.)
Harvard Law School (J.D.)

As "economically illiterate?"

How about your "affirmative action" claim? Please feel free to elaborate on that. Facts would be nice. :boxedin:
 
Robrob said:
The "some of my best friends are black" defense?1Not to mention the "argument from ignorance."2Out of curiosity, what would prompt you to describe a graduate of:

Occidental College
Columbia College (B.A.)
Harvard Law School (J.D.)

As "economically illiterate?"3
How about your "affirmative action" claim? Please feel free to elaborate on that. Facts would be nice.4
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1. It's a direct rebuttal of Travis' suggestion that skeptics of Obama's intellect will doubt the intellect of all blacks.
2. You mean, anything less than certainty is unwelcome in a skeptics' forum? Strange.
3. a) Why suppose that those credentials imply economic literacy?
b) His policies.
4. It explains the combination of
Occidental College
Columbia College (B.A.)
Harvard Law School (J.D.)
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and incoherent policy.
 
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