Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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I know it is bad form to break character, but I have to ask.

Mr. Prey, are you having as much fun as we are? This thread is hy-larious.
 
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Border Reiver said:
Officials following the law aren't "hiding behind it" they are obeying it. They are doing what we, the people, have told them to do through our elected representatives. Law enforcement officers investigating crimes are of course allowed to view certain records, provided they are within their jurisdiction and/or have a warrant. ...

No, they just aren't going to allow any yahoos to go and look at the personal information of a US citizen who do not have a warrant or a lawful reason to.
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The Governor of Hawaii is hardly a yahoo. And, no, The reason the Governor couldn't view the document is because it does not exist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ys-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html

Hawaii governor claims record of Obama's birth 'exists in archives' but can't produce the vital document
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
UPDATED: 10:32 EST, 20 January 2011


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-record-exists-produce-it.html#ixzz23jIxkGzT

"Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there.
Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.
And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
 
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JayUtah said:
No, he's talking about layers in terms of the PDF data structures. The claim was made that since the released PDF contains more than one such layer, it cannot be the product of a scan, which they say would produce only one layer containing the scanned pixel map. However it was very quickly ascertained that the premise of scans producing only single-layer PDFs was not true. The Birthers' expectations are in error.

Basically this is an old claim that was debunked years ago. Robert is apparently frantically Googling around for Birther arguments. It's only a matter of time before he starts talking about Mara Zebest.
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Your worst nightmare.
 
Gosh. If only some sort of official agency within the state of Hawaii could confirm that Obama was, in fact, born there.

I guess we'll just never know...
I'm sure arguing over his birthplace is far more effective than trying to legitimately replace him.
 
Robert Prey said:
Your worst nightmare.
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An understanding of how OCR works is his worst nightmare? I assume computers are magic boxes that can do whatever someone wants it to, like in the movies, as long as they preface their actions by saying "We're in!".
 
JayUtah said:
The document has already been verified to exist by the officer who is in charge of verifying the existence of documents in the state of Hawaii. Once again you're making up new rules by naming another individual who "must" confirm the certificate.
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"...Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ys-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html
 
Mara Zebest -- Jay' Worst Nightmare

"There is no doubt in my mind that this computer generated image
never started out as a paper source document and was never
scanned in as described by the White House—it was digitally
created and manufactured."

-- Mara Zebest

http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/MARAZEBESTREPORT.pdf

Mara Zebest is a recognized expert and teacher of Adaobe and Microsoft programs for goverenemnt employees and Fortune 500 Companies, co-author and technical editor for over 100 books, a dozen for Adobe programs.
 
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Robert Prey said:
"There is no doubt in my mind that this computer generated image
never started out as a paper source document and was never
scanned in as described by the White House—it was digitally
created and manufactured."

-- Mara Zebest

http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/MARAZEBESTREPORT.pdf

Mara Zebest on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv19avtHVcc
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Asked and answered. Please read the thread.

Bonus question: in which state court did Mara Zebest fail voir dire as an expert?
 
elbe said:
An understanding of how OCR works is his worst nightmare? I assume computers are magic boxes that can do whatever someone wants it to, like in the movies, as long as they preface their actions by saying "We're in!".
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The OCR Argument Not a Factor!
"OCR—which stands for Optical Character Recognition—will scan a
document for text and convert any images of text to live (editable)
text.
After OCR is applied to a PDF in Adobe Acrobat Pro, the text
responds as if it is in a Word document. The OCR text can be
selected, changed, copied and pasted. The Obama PDF document
as downloaded cannot be edited in the aforementioned manner.
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Additionally, if the PDF had been scanned using OCR software; one
would be able to search the document with keywords and if the
text exists in the document, then those keywords would be found..."

Mara Zebest

http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/MARAZEBESTREPORT.pdf

P.S. Even proponents of the document's validity discount OCR as an explanation for layers.
 
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Robert Prey said:
The OCR Argument Not a Factor!
"OCR—which stands for Optical Character Recognition—will scan a
document for text and convert any images of text to live (editable)
text.
After OCR is applied to a PDF in Adobe Acrobat Pro, the text
responds as if it is in a Word document. The OCR text can be
selected, changed, copied and pasted. The Obama PDF document
as downloaded cannot be edited in the aforementioned manner.
.
Additionally, if the PDF had been scanned using OCR software; one
would be able to search the document with keywords and if the
text exists in the document, then those keywords would be found..."

Mara Zebest

http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/MARAZEBESTREPORT.pdf
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I remember when that document was released and the birthers were making such a big claim about it, so I grabbed it and took a look at it (using the same methods they were using). Nothing about it said manufactured by hand, every artifact appeared to be the product of conversion automation. In fact, if someone had digitally created it I'd probably consider them insane geniuses - I'm talking "god made fossils to trick us" level deception.

Sure, maybe I know a little bit about computers. Maybe Mara let her own confirmation bias influence what she saw.
The fact remains, that is what the State of Hawaii provided and, when asked, the confirmed the contents of said document. There really isn't anything more that can be said about it.

Btw, as JayUtah points out, pretty much everything you can think of about this issue has probably been dealt with already in this 129 page thread. Have you considered reading it?
 
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elbe said:
I remember when that document was released and the birthers were making such a big claim about it, so I grabbed it and took a look at it (using the same methods they were using). Nothing about it said manufactured by hand, every artifact appeared to be the product of conversion automation. In fact, if someone had digitally created it I'd probably consider them insane geniuses - I'm talking "god made fossils to trick us" level deception.

Sure, maybe I know a little bit about computers. Maybe Mara let her own confirmation bias influence what she saw.
The fact remains, that is what the State of Hawaii provided and, when asked, the confirmed the contents of said document. There really isn't anything more that can be said about it.

Btw, as JayUtah points out, pretty much everything you can think of about this issue has probably been dealt with already in this 129 page thread. Have you considered reading it?
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No. I'm not going to read 129 pages of whatever because everything could not have possibly been covered -- specifically, Sheriff Joe and his investigator's recent press conference of July 17th detailing evidence of fraud in Obama's alleged long form Birth Certificate.
 
Robert Prey said:
No. I'm not going to read 129 pages of whatever because everything could not have possibly been covered -- specifically, Sheriff Joe and his investigator's recent press conference of July 17th detailing evidence of fraud in Obama's alleged long form Birth Certificate.
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Sure. Everything is in the press conference and you wont read the counter arguments. Why are we not surprised.

One would have thought everything you needed to know was contained in the verification and endorsement of the issuing authority.
 
Those treacherous images

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