Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Actually, under our laws, if it is officially certified as a valid state record, then it is a valid, official, state record.

Excellent reasoning.

Sounds to me like the line in "Camelot"

"A law was made a distant moon ago here, that July and August cannot be too hot,
And there's a legal limit to the snow here, in Camelot.!!!"
 
If Sheriff Joe's investigators were allowed to take a look and make a copy of the original, that would be persuasive.

No, it wouldn't. It would just be evidence that Sheriff Joe's investigators had been influenced, and were now part of the conspiracy. After all, they're just working for the government too. How do you know Sheriff Joe himself isn't disinfo, or deliberately set up to fail?

Dave

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who is this Sheriff Jo peson and why is anything he can do have any more veracity than anoyone else?
 
And for the past 4 years they have doing what?

The congressional oath of office,



Before anyone freaks out the highlighted part was added by me.

No. Its quite clear that every congressman and senator from the GOP and the tea party is in violation of their solemn oath. They should be removed from office immediately and replaced with conservatives that have the fortitude, honor, and courage to execute their oath of office.

"Congressman James Clyburn, the 3rd ranking democrat in the House of Representatives, admits, "that the Congress simply does not care about whether its behavior is constitutional." Subsequently he said, "there is no authority for most of what we do down here." ."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wiytPDdoBQ
 
The Matter of The Book

And then there is the matter of The Book -- the document that resides in the archives of the Kapiolani Hospitcal Archives, open to the public with the permission of the authorities. The Book contains admission records, and it would be a simple matter to determine if Obama's mother was entered on the date in question. That would close the case, end the entire controversy. But Sheriff Joe's investigators were refused admission to the "public" archives.
 
So what's the question? Fact is, even most Republican politicians believe the Obama is legit brainwash. But that doesn't make it true.

Fact is, Birthers believe that Obama is not legit. But that doesn´t make it true.


Where. Is. The. *******. Evidence. For. Your. Claims?
 
But Sheriff Joe's investigators were refused admission to the "public" archives.

I doubt that. I'm sure his "investigators" were sunning it up on the beach. Or taking a helicopter tour. On Arizona taxpayer expense of course.
 
if it is that simple why have you not done it?


Because if they let anyone not previously vetted by the Annointed One TM or his handlers then the lid will be blown off the whole thing and the US will fall into chaos, leaving Canada to assume control, and that will be horrible -

a. better beer (some of the microbreweries will be allowed to remain open);
b. a more stable economy;
c. higher taxes;
d. lower crime;
e. universal health care; and
f. a switch from football to hockey as the favoured sport.

Of course by now THEY will have even doctored THE BOOK to make it look like the Bamster was actually born there, but Rob knows better.
 
And what is a sheriff doing wasting Arizona taxpayers money and resources on something that has nothing to do with policing Arizona?
 
"Congressman James Clyburn, the 3rd ranking democrat in the House of Representatives, admits, "that the Congress simply does not care about whether its behavior is constitutional." Subsequently he said, "there is no authority for most of what we do down here." ."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wiytPDdoBQ

Baloney.

Just admit that the GOP and teabaggers are anti-constitution godless conservatives that have abandoned their congressional oath.

Its the only logical explanation for why they don't investigate the Anointed ONE!
 
...open to the public with the permission of the authorities.

No, it isn't. You consistently invent non-existing procedures and policies in order to make it seem that "investigators" are being pointedly rejected or stymied in their efforts. In fact birther "investigators" are simply running up against the ordinary laws that apply to everyone. Birthers are not entitled to special exemptions from state and federal laws, nor authorized to invent new ad hoc procedures for determining eligibility. The imagined importance of their hobby is irrelevant.

But Sheriff Joe's investigators were refused admission to the "public" archives.

No. Hospital admission records are protected by HIPAA. Federal law governs whom they can be shown to and why. There are criminal sanctions attached to even the accidental release of that information to unauthorized parties. Hospital administrators, law enforcement officials, etc. cannot simply decide to ignore those laws. There is only one person in the world with the authority to grant permission, and that's Barack Obama's mother.

Had Arpaio's investigators obtained a search warrant, they would have been able to avoid HIPAA restrictions. But two things prevented that: first, that Arpaio's evidence has already been ruled insufficient for prosecution, thereby ensuring that no state or federal judge will grant a search warrant to continue to pursue the matter; and second, that Arpaio's investigators are now enjoined from acting under color of law while investigating Obama and are thus ineligible to petition for a warrant.

The investigators originally tried to get around the latter by saying nebulously that they were "from the sheriff's department," but their lie was quickly discovered and they were shown the door. In that circumstance they were not law enforcement officers acting in their official capacity with due jurisdiction and authority, but were instead private citizens requesting access to information that long-standing federal law prevents them from seeing.
 
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