Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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No. I'm calling the Birth Certificate a lie. Try to stay on point.

On point, Mr Prey.

So, the state of Hawaii is being truthful about its claims that the birth records and certificate are genuine, yet the certificate is a lie?

It doesn't really make a lot of sense.
 
"Attacking the messenger" and "Impeaching the source" are different phenomenon.
 
No. I'm calling the Birth Certificate a lie. Try to stay on point.

The State of Hawaii says it isn't. Their statement trumps your opinion, that of Mr. Arpaio, etc. with respect to its validity.

The issue of the BC is dead, buried and a nice memorial service spoken over the grave.
 
I fear that not much progress will be made on the birth certificate issue in this thread, so ,if I may, I'd like to ask a different question.

Imagine a hypothetical American. We'll call him Nathan (after the great patriot, Nathan Hale).

If Nathan were absolutely and unquestioningly convinced that:

A) the man holding the office of president is Constitutionally ineligible to hold that office
B) that man knows he is Constitutionally ineligible
C) that man and virtually everyone in his party wants to destroy America
D) that man is willing to break every law in the Constitution in an effort to destroy America.
E) that man's ultimate goal is to murder, imprison, or enslave every Christian in this country
F) because that man is motivated by either allegiance to Islam or allegiance to the Devil
G) that when that man puts his plan into effect, the murder of citizens will be on a scale as large as those of Stalin and Pol Pot
H) that it is impossible to reason with this political party
I) that any compromise with this party will hurt America in both the short and long run
J) that pretty much the only things stopping the plan is true Americans who own firearms
K) that this political party wants to cede American sovereignty to the U.N. and is willing to violate any and all parts of the Constitution to do so.
L) that man is knowingly or unknowingly fulfilling New Testament prophecy
M) because that mark of the beast stuff is just around the corner and we really know what those FEMA camps are for

then

wouldn't Nathan have a moral obligation and duty to take up arms against the current federal government in an effort to defend the Constitution and everything it stands for?


After all there is that whole spiel about When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary ... yadda yadda ... to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, ...yadda yadda.



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DISCLAIMER: I am not advocating violence against any part of the U.S. government. I do not want to see anyone die.
 
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I fear that not much progress will be made on the birth certificate issue in this thread, so ,if I may, I'd like to ask a different question.

Imagine a hypothetical American. We'll call him Nathan (after the great patriot, Nathan Hale).

If Nathan were absolutely and unquestioningly convinced that:

A) the man holding the office of president is Constitutionally ineligible to hold that office
B) that man knows he is Constitutionally ineligible
C) that man and virtually everyone in his party wants to destroy America
D) that man is willing to break every law in the Constitution in an effort to destroy America.
E) that man's ultimate goal is to murder, imprison, or enslave every Christian in this country
F) because that man is motivated by either allegiance to Islam or allegiance to the Devil
G) that when that man puts his plan into effect, the murder of citizens will be on a scale as large as those of Stalin and Pol Pot
H) that it is impossible to reason with this political party
I) that any compromise with this party will hurt America in both the short and long run
J) that pretty much the only things stopping the plan is true Americans who own firearms
K) that this political party wants to cede American sovereignty to the U.N. and is willing to violate any and all parts of the Constitution to do so.
L) that man is knowingly or unknowingly fulfilling New Testament prophecy
M) because that mark of the beast stuff is just around the corner and we really know what those FEMA camps are for

then

wouldn't Nathan have a moral obligation and duty to take up arms against the current federal government in an effort to defend the Constitution and everything it stands for?


After all there is that whole spiel about When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary ... yadda yadda ... to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, ...yadda yadda.
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A portrait of the ultimate straw man. None of this has anything to do with a forged birth certificate. Try to stay on point.
 
The State of Hawaii says it isn't. Their statement trumps your opinion, that of Mr. Arpaio, etc. with respect to its validity.

The issue of the BC is dead, buried and a nice memorial service spoken over the grave.

Sheriff Joe has made sure the issue is alive and well and no government edict can trump the Truth.
 
On point, Mr Prey.

So, the state of Hawaii is being truthful about its claims that the birth records and certificate are genuine, yet the certificate is a lie?

It doesn't really make a lot of sense.

What the state of Hawaii believed is irrelevant to the truth of a forged document.
 
By refusing to give full faith and credit to the State of Hawaii over its official statement that Barack Obama's birth certificate is genuine, you are violating the American Constitution. Therefore, by your own argument, you are anti-American.

Dave

The full faith and credit clauses of the Constitution do not apply to citizens and in any case your contention that it does would violate the First Amendment.
 
The State of Hawaii has stated it is genuine so they are lying for some nefarious puprose?
 
The full faith and credit clauses of the Constitution do not apply to citizens...

It applies to a county sheriff purporting to act within the capacity of his office. He has no jurisdiction to investigate the validity of a birth certificate that has been certified by competent duly elected state authority. End of discussion.
 
What the state of Hawaii believed is irrelevant to the truth of a forged document.

I'd think what the state of Hawaii know is not irrelevant about what you say is a forged document issued by them. They are the ones that provided it, after Mr Obama asked them to. I'm sure that they would have been the first to call foul if what they sent didn't match up to what they released.
 
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