A Question for Conspiracy Theorists.

Nope. It can't be. Not grammatically possible.

You mean grammatically correct because it is possible or you wouldn't be able to type it yourself.


Evolution does refer to biology, or makes an analogue to the biological process of evolution.

Sure just as soon as your understanding of it evolves with it.

No mistake. You're just using the word wrong.

You disagree with the new life foundations wording? Why not take it up with them then what's stopping you tiger?

Don't have to. I'm quite satisfied pointing out that it's woo.

Your satisfied me using the word evolved as a term to signify higher understanding is woo? ok.


I don't take kindly to being solicited by men I don't know.

This looks like an attempt to avoid an explanation to back up your claim that you know love etc. I didn't think you'd back out so quickly.

Or you're talking BS. I think my version is more likely.

You mean the version that I couldn't possibly of meant a higher understanding with the word evolved like the faq obviously intended? Nothings stopping you from confirming this with the foundation. Nothing at all.


How do you know that? You've never even met me.

Because you have already identified yourself as one of the angry masses the new life foundation was referring to on the faq. I refuse to take your side, I prefer peace over violent fighting.


My remarks have more substance than yours. Mine are grounded in reality, yours aren't.

Such as that using the word evolved in another way than in a biological context is woo? How about that woo where no one can opt out of living in reality? You should start a campaign against the WHO and tell them that suicide is impossible you cannot commit suicide that is woo while your busy saving the world from???


I think it's strange that you are attempting to answer my question with a heap of questions and assumptions of your own. Now, could you please snap back to attention and answer the question? Who are "they"?

Once again you are asking me what the new life foundation meant by the word "they". I didn't take it personally why would you? You might as well identify yourself by taking it so personally.


No, I mean people who snipe from the sidelines. People who won't commit to a position. The kind of people you apparently hail as true heroes. People who disagree with me get the respect they deserve. The people you talk about get no respect.

You mean the people who refuse to take your side and view the field objectively. They do not meet your demands so are rejected by you so you deny them your kindness and refuse to extend grace to them, of course this is all a fine example of your "love".

Are you blaming me for suicides now?

Are you saying you take the burden of these suicidals lacking love directly on your shoulders? You stated you cannot opt out of reality and I pointed out that the suicide rates on WHO. would contradict your claim. How do you connect that with you being responsible for their deaths other than you feeling guilty?


No. Never did. Just asking you to clarify.

I didn't write the faq, you'll have to confirm clarification with the new life foundation, they wrote it. But im sure the answer will be as I gave, that it was meant as a sweeping generalization of the masses. You could always confirm for yourself.


I would hope they don't know my name. I'd be scared if they did.

Because once someone knows your true name they have access to your mind, we all know this is the reason you would be afraid of them having your name right?

Nope. Never said that. Stop assuming so much. You know what they say about assumptions.

So you weren't implying you were provoking a fight with me? Simply put I refuse to take your angry irrational side.


No, I want to wind you up some more for more comedy gold.

So your intent is to fight and argue for no reason other than your personal entertainment, how loving of you sir.


The burden of evidence is on the person making the assertion: you. How is saving the world a hoax? How is it even grammatically possible?

How is it not? You have to provide me with something with to save the world from. You claimed saving the world is not a hoax, so what does the world need saving from?
 
Evolution is a biological process. It has nothing to do with understanding, except as a poetic metaphor. Something being a grammatical impossibility means the statement describes actions that are impossible for reasons of syntax and tense, for example. I can type the words "saving whales is a hoax", but grammer makes it clear "saving whales" as a concept is an impossible "hoax".

For the same reason saving the world is impossible to parse with "is a hoax".
 
How does grammer make it clear "saving whales" as a concept is an impossible hoax?

Tommorrow alex jones could be putting forth that the whales are being attacked by the new world order and the people have to stop them, save the whales as it were.

While unlikely that seems to fit the definition of a hoax.
 
How does grammer make it clear "saving whales" as a concept is an impossible hoax?

Tommorrow alex jones could be putting forth that the whales are being attacked by the new world order and the people have to stop them, save the whales as it were.

While unlikely that seems to fit the definition of a hoax.

You describe the need for whales to be a hoax. Not the concept, or indeed the act of saving them.

Perhaps the difference between "saving whales" and "the stating of a need to save whales" is too subtle for you. Perhaps I explained it clumsily. Perhaps you are a troll.

How is "saving the whales" a hoax? And why did you never actually tell me who "they" when you responded to my earlier post? You told me which website its from, you told me it wasnt me, you even told it wasnt a secret. Yet you didn't name "them".

If you are not a troll, I recommend you look at your posts objectively and try to understand why that is the conclusion I am reaching.
 
Don't take the faq personally like you are I suppose, if you need clarification on who "they" means perhaps you need to contact new life yourself.

On another note are you saying it's impossible to save a whale? (Save it from what?) I don't doubt the existence of the world or whales, so where are you going with this?
 
Don't take the faq personally like you are I suppose, if you need clarification on who "they" means perhaps you need to contact new life yourself.

On another note are you saying it's impossible to save a whale? (Save it from what?) I don't doubt the existence of the world or whales, so where are you going with this?

See, more troll like behaviour.

I'm not taking "the faq" personally, nor am going to contact anybody else. You posted it here as your own opinion. I want to know who YOU meant by "they". It would also be nice to know if YOU understood the gibberish YOU posted.


And, no I'm not saying it is impossible to save whales. I am saying "saving whales" or "slapping Ted Danson" or "walking backwards" or "riding ponies" or "asking questions" or ksaving the world"…can not make grammatical sense when followed by "is a hoax".

Geeeeeeeeeeeeez, see? Somebody says something, takes the time to explain it, and rather than saying "you are right, my post was a word-fart this is what I meant" you accuse people of taking something personally and go out of your way to continue being wrong.

I can only assume you are trolling, so have fun Im out.
 
Tomtomkent, you do know that you're trying to talk sense to someone who will have "none of that", right? ;)
 
You mean grammatically correct because it is possible or you wouldn't be able to type it yourself.

Sure you can type it. That doesn't make it grammatically possible to write a coherent sentence with said structure.

Sure just as soon as your understanding of it evolves with it.

Your reply seemingly has nothing to do with my comment.


You disagree with the new life foundations wording? Why not take it up with them then what's stopping you tiger?

If you're not going to defend the BS you spout, you shouldn't be spouting it. You came to us with this. You defend it.

Your satisfied me using the word evolved as a term to signify higher understanding is woo? ok.

No idea what you mean by that.


This looks like an attempt to avoid an explanation to back up your claim that you know love etc. I didn't think you'd back out so quickly.

No, it was an attempt to get you to understand how creepy you were coming off.


You mean the version that I couldn't possibly of meant a higher understanding with the word evolved like the faq obviously intended? Nothings stopping you from confirming this with the foundation. Nothing at all.

You spout it, you defend it.

Because you have already identified yourself as one of the angry masses the new life foundation was referring to on the faq. I refuse to take your side, I prefer peace over violent fighting.

This sounds like a serious mental issue. Hope you get help.

Such as that using the word evolved in another way than in a biological context is woo? How about that woo where no one can opt out of living in reality? You should start a campaign against the WHO and tell them that suicide is impossible you cannot commit suicide that is woo while your busy saving the world from???

Once again in English, please?


Once again you are asking me what the new life foundation meant by the word "they". I didn't take it personally why would you? You might as well identify yourself by taking it so personally.

You spout it, you defend it.

You mean the people who refuse to take your side and view the field objectively. They do not meet your demands so are rejected by you so you deny them your kindness and refuse to extend grace to them, of course this is all a fine example of your "love".

No, I mean the intellectual cowards who drift through life with no original thoughts and never commit to anything.

Are you saying you take the burden of these suicidals lacking love directly on your shoulders? You stated you cannot opt out of reality and I pointed out that the suicide rates on WHO. would contradict your claim. How do you connect that with you being responsible for their deaths other than you feeling guilty?

No idea what you're dribbling about.


I didn't write the faq, you'll have to confirm clarification with the new life foundation, they wrote it. But im sure the answer will be as I gave, that it was meant as a sweeping generalization of the masses. You could always confirm for yourself.

You spout it, you defend it.


Because once someone knows your true name they have access to your mind, we all know this is the reason you would be afraid of them having your name right?

No, because I don't want a bunch of possibly violent weirdos having access to my personal information.


So you weren't implying you were provoking a fight with me? Simply put I refuse to take your angry irrational side.

You're assuming again.


So your intent is to fight and argue for no reason other than your personal entertainment, how loving of you sir.

Most love for ol' number one.


How is it not?

Don't answer questions with a question.

You have to provide me with something with to save the world from. You claimed saving the world is not a hoax, so what does the world need saving from?

You made the positive assertion. You have to back it up with evidence. That's how the burden of evidence works.
 
If you believe that conspiracy is truly what is going on, what are you as individuals doing about it in the sense of coming up with a plan of action which will thwart the ultimate goals of these power mongers?

Thank You.

Your "poser" is somewhat strange. Just because some people believe in some conspiracy theories; it doesn't mean that they believe in the conspiracy theory that includes the "ultimate goals of these power mongers." What do you mean by "if you believe that conspiracy is truly what is going on"?
 
See, more troll like behaviour.

I'm not taking "the faq" personally, nor am going to contact anybody else. You posted it here as your own opinion. I want to know who YOU meant by "they". It would also be nice to know if YOU understood the gibberish YOU posted.


And, no I'm not saying it is impossible to save whales. I am saying "saving whales" or "slapping Ted Danson" or "walking backwards" or "riding ponies" or "asking questions" or ksaving the world"…can not make grammatical sense when followed by "is a hoax".

Geeeeeeeeeeeeez, see? Somebody says something, takes the time to explain it, and rather than saying "you are right, my post was a word-fart this is what I meant" you accuse people of taking something personally and go out of your way to continue being wrong.

I can only assume you are trolling, so have fun Im out.

I thought I explained what I meant with the alex jones example? Also the faq is from new life foundation, you will have to ask them as I am not psychic. (But I assume they meant a sweeping generalization of the masses, and the reason I think you take this personally is because you demand to know names even though i'm confident they do not know your name.)
 
Sure you can type it. That doesn't make it grammatically possible to write a coherent sentence with said structure.



Your reply seemingly has nothing to do with my comment.




If you're not going to defend the BS you spout, you shouldn't be spouting it. You came to us with this. You defend it.



No idea what you mean by that.




No, it was an attempt to get you to understand how creepy you were coming off.




You spout it, you defend it.



This sounds like a serious mental issue. Hope you get help.



Once again in English, please?




You spout it, you defend it.



No, I mean the intellectual cowards who drift through life with no original thoughts and never commit to anything.



No idea what you're dribbling about.




You spout it, you defend it.




No, because I don't want a bunch of possibly violent weirdos having access to my personal information.




You're assuming again.




Most love for ol' number one.




Don't answer questions with a question.



You made the positive assertion. You have to back it up with evidence. That's how the burden of evidence works.

What is the problem you have with the faq exactly besides you taking it personally and i'll do my best to answer your queries but I am not the creator of the faq so you'll have to excuse my limited knowledge on it. Also please be reminded you have not backed up your claim that you know love, remembering that I completely doubt you have a shred of knowledge regarding it.
 
I thought I explained what I meant with the alex jones example? Also the faq is from new life foundation, you will have to ask them as I am not psychic. (But I assume they meant a sweeping generalization of the masses, and the reason I think you take this personally is because you demand to know names even though i'm confident they do not know your name.)

See. I said I was out, but morbid curiosity about this fetid pile of guff keeps drawing me back:

You see Cecil a normal person would look at your post and realise:
1) you stated everything in it as your own, not a citation from another website.
2) even as a citation it is somewhat confused and gibbering.

Now, given the confused nature of the post (you say you have to be psychic to know what some of the words refer to!) it is not unreasonable for myself and ukese to ask for clarification. You posted it, you take responsibility.

For example, the post (or FAQ or what ever the mess is) talks about "them", but gives no clear indication of who "they" are. People are treating you like an adult, and having the good grace to try and understand what your post means, and what your point is.

In return you have jumped to some odd conclusions that only make sense if you are trying to insult us:
1) that we took the post personally.
2) that we assumed "they" must mean me and I have some troubling fear of somebody knowing my name.
3) that another poster here should prove he has known love.

Now to give you fair wrning those could easily be construde as personal attacks in breach of the MA. At the very least they are completely unreasonable conclusions to have been drawn from the posts here and childish heckles. At worst they are attempts to paint others as paranoid unstable.

So in the hope you are actually capable of something approaching a reasonable conversation, why did you post something you would have to be "psychic" to understand and are unable to explain in your own terms?
 
See. I said I was out, but morbid curiosity about this fetid pile of guff keeps drawing me back:

You see Cecil a normal person would look at your post and realise:
1) you stated everything in it as your own, not a citation from another website.
2) even as a citation it is somewhat confused and gibbering.

Now, given the confused nature of the post (you say you have to be psychic to know what some of the words refer to!) it is not unreasonable for myself and ukese to ask for clarification. You posted it, you take responsibility.

For example, the post (or FAQ or what ever the mess is) talks about "them", but gives no clear indication of who "they" are. People are treating you like an adult, and having the good grace to try and understand what your post means, and what your point is.

In return you have jumped to some odd conclusions that only make sense if you are trying to insult us:
1) that we took the post personally.
2) that we assumed "they" must mean me and I have some troubling fear of somebody knowing my name.
3) that another poster here should prove he has known love.

Now to give you fair wrning those could easily be construde as personal attacks in breach of the MA. At the very least they are completely unreasonable conclusions to have been drawn from the posts here and childish heckles. At worst they are attempts to paint others as paranoid unstable.

So in the hope you are actually capable of something approaching a reasonable conversation, why did you post something you would have to be "psychic" to understand and are unable to explain in your own terms?

1) post 95 contains the website info and my first reply to you, so you can stop being so obtuse. I told you I wasn't at 15 posts yet and I cannot edit it to contain the link so here it is directly to the page, hopefully this helps you to stop acting like a crybaby about it sir.

http://www.anewlife.org/html/faqs.html

2) It seems only you and the ranting lobster have a problem with it, your problem being merely grammar syntax and lobsters being etiquette.

For example you've been repeatedly told that the word they used in that context obviously means a sweeping generalization of the masses, this is how many times you've been told this? Go contact them if you disagree, it's not hard. You've spent more time typing than it would have taken to confirm what they meant by the word they and them exactly.

1) Anytime someone uses the words they or them doesn't have to refer to you, the reason you take it so personally is because you think they or them is actually referring to you without confirming it with the author/site.
You're being paranoid sir.

2)Why continue asking for names if you don't think it means you? Why would a sweeping generalization of the masses automatically mean = names? /Boggle

3) He made the claim defend it or not I don't care obviously he doesn't have to prove it, but I know he can't. It doesn't make one look good when they rant and rave and cannot even back up their assertions. It gives the appearance of an angry lunatic.

Go ahead and report this I don't feel i've been out of line at all.
I think more that you and the frother are misunderstanding the fact that I refuse to join your side, this horrendous display of the lack of grace is a reasonable example why I shouldn't join unreasonable people such as yourselves.

Why would you consider me psychic for not being able to read someones mind? In the hopes your not being a troll I can only point you to the new life foundation given in the link above. Go confirm with them what they meant by they and them but you've been offered my thoughts about it. It makes you look crazy paranoid to me.
 
1) post 95 contains the website info and my first reply to you, so you can stop being so obtuse.
Which doesn't change what you posted. You have missed the point completely. I don't care this came from another web page. At all. YOU posted it, and I am asking YOUR explination of it. I really don't see how you are failing to get this.

I told you I wasn't at 15 posts yet and I cannot edit it to contain the link so here it is directly to the page, hopefully this helps you to stop acting like a crybaby about it sir.

http://www.anewlife.org/html/faqs.html


As above. I'm not interested where you posted it from. You copied it and pasted it and presented it as your own opinion. I am asking you about your views on the content, not where to find the content.

2) It seems only you and the ranting lobster have a problem with it, your problem being merely grammar syntax and lobsters being etiquette.
My problem being "saving the world is a hoax" doesn't make sense, and I would like to know what you meant. I have explained WHY it doesn't make sense and offered you every oppertunity to admit it was a nonesense and to tell me what you meant to say. Instead you have wasted post after post, like this one, arguing.
Why can't you just say what you meant, now the error has been identified?

For example you've been repeatedly told that the word they used in that context obviously means a sweeping generalization of the masses, this is how many times you've been told this? Go contact them if you disagree, it's not hard.

Why? Will THEY know YOUR opinion? Will THEY know why YOU chose to copy and paste that gibberish and include it in the conversation THEY have played no part in?

What is so difficult about telling me what YOU think it means in the context YOU posted it. I have no interest in anybody elses opinion.

You've spent more time typing than it would have taken to confirm what they meant by the word they and them exactly.
Because you are the person whose opinion I have been asking for. Why can't you offer it? Why do you offer somebody elses?


1) Anytime someone uses the words they or them doesn't have to refer to you, the reason you take it so personally is because you think they or them is actually referring to you without confirming it with the author/site.
You're being paranoid sir.
Again with the accusation of paranoia. I do not thinki they meant me. I do not take the post personally. I have explained that several times. Please decist in this lie.


2)Why continue asking for names if you don't think it means you?
Because you haven't answered. I asked what you meant when you posted this as your own, not when you posted a link later. I still want to know who you think 'they' are in terms of a defined group or section of society.

Why would a sweeping generalization of the masses automatically mean = names? /Boggle
Because in the context of the discussion we are having "they" can not be a sweeping generalisation of the population as a whole. It is a discussion of an unyet undefined group. I want to know beyond "somebody" what you meant. What group, portion of society or body, you thought the comments represented and refered to when you posted them. How is this so hard?

3) He made the claim defend it or not I don't care obviously he doesn't have to prove it, but I know he can't. It doesn't make one look good when they rant and rave and cannot even back up their assertions. It gives the appearance of an angry lunatic.

By which logic, the fact you keep persisting in trying to accuse me of paranoia and turn this into an argument when I am offering you every chance to be civil makes you look like "an angry lunatic". Perhaps you could just answer the questions of what relevence the "FAQ" has in your opinion, whom you think it discusses and what exactly you meant by "saving the world is a hoax" instead of continuing this silly rant?

Go ahead and report this I don't feel i've been out of line at all.

So when somebody explains they did not assume something was a direct reference to them, and that your assumption of their paranois is wrong, you feel it perfectly reasonable and civil to act in a trollish way and call them a lunatic? Is it not a little odd that you keep trying to pretend I took one comment personally, while ignoring the very personal insults you continue to make?

I am astounded at the lengths you seem to be going to avoid some very simple questions. Here they are again. Take notes if you like:

What did you think the word "They" meant when YOU posted the copied text?
What did you mean by the word fart "saving the world is a hoax"?

You can keep arguing about if you were right or wrong to post them, or if they are good or bad English. But it would be a lot simpler to just answer them.

I think more that you and the frother are misunderstanding the fact that I refuse to join your side,

Nope. Amazingly enough most people here are fully aware others have different views. Sometimes, when other people make posts that are confused gibberish, we ask the poster what they meant and point out the statements that made no sense. We ask questions about those views and was meant. Like I have been doing.


this horrendous display of the lack of grace is a reasonable example why I shouldn't join unreasonable people such as yourselves.

You mean the lack of grace like pointing out statements that make no sense or are confusing and asking for clarification of your views? Like pointing out when your posts seem trollish so you might do something to avoid upsetting people?

You feel that is more horrendous than, for example, misrepresenting the posts of others and claiming they are frothing lunatics and ranters? Stating outright an entirely false reason for asking a question to justify accusations of paranoia?

Perhaps you would be so good as to explain what is so unreasonable about asking you what your posts mean and what your interpretation of a citation is rather than what the authors is?

Why would you consider me psychic for not being able to read someones mind?
I don't and did not claim you are. I pointed out that the text you copied made so little text you suggested you would have to be psychic to know what they meant. YOU made the statement you would have to be psychic to know what it meant. Why do you insist on misrepresenting posts?

In the hopes your not being a troll I can only point you to the new life foundation given in the link above. Go confirm with them what they meant by they and them but you've been offered my thoughts about it. It makes you look crazy paranoid to me.

Again, I don't care what they meant. Not a jot. I don't give two hoots what the new life foundation meant. I care what you thought they meant when you took the time to copy the danged text.

If this is so very hard for you to grasp, just don't bother replying to this post.
 
And by the way cecil, claiming you could not post a link is one issue, but where in the following post did you even state the opinions you post came from any where but your own hand? Highlight the citation to the foundation, or the sentence where you explain these are sombody elses opinions.

I will do you the favour of highlighting the sentence where YOU claim they are your own opinion:

I do not believe a conspiracy is going on, but I happen to take this particular stance when it comes to the happenings in this world.

Question: Society’s chaos and disorder frighten me. Shouldn’t we all band together to bring some sense to this warring world?
Answer: Saving the world and helping other people is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated on unsuspecting mankind. It took an awakened and highly evolved human being, Vernon Howard, to expose this gigantic falsehood to deluded humanity. Darkness knows it can tempt almost all lost souls who are searching for a way out to take this detour because:
1) it provides an easy escape from seeing our own wrong nature and 2) we then forget our real purpose in life — to find the way back home. Banding together with other lost people always places us in a dangerous position, for the masses are mad and can never think correctly and logically. They tempt you to take sides, to adopt a viewpoint and to fight an enemy. Of course, you are now “right” and they are “wrong”. You have found an identity as a “good” person and they are labeled as the “bad” people. As Vernon said (on MP3 CD, Volume 8, Talk 11), “You’re depending on enemy forces for you to feel angelic.” You’ve lost yourself in a cause, added yet another identity to the shaky false self and are farther than ever away from finding your true and real self. Don’t go there! Don’t go with them. Walk away and start heading toward home.

Another point of clarity is with this.

'Whenever I see opposing sides on any social or political issueI never know which side to take.'
'There is something far greater for you to know. It is the existenceof a third position which takes no sides at all, for it is above human conflict. It is like standing on a hilltop and watching two battling armies. Such an observer does not contribute to the wounding of others.'"
There is a Way Out, p. 142

See, you cite the second quote, but you offer the first as a stance you take.
So please, instead of fobbing me off to somebody else, as you have posted this as YOUR views, perhaps you could explain whom you thought the post was refering to specifically.

Or are you claiming "the world at large" is tempting you to take sides? To fight? To label others as bad?

As those statements sure seem to be directed at some group or another. Whom?
 
And by the way cecil, claiming you could not post a link is one issue, but where in the following post did you even state the opinions you post came from any where but your own hand? Highlight the citation to the foundation, or the sentence where you explain these are sombody elses opinions.

I will do you the favour of highlighting the sentence where YOU claim they are your own opinion:



See, you cite the second quote, but you offer the first as a stance you take.
So please, instead of fobbing me off to somebody else, as you have posted this as YOUR views, perhaps you could explain whom you thought the post was refering to specifically.

Or are you claiming "the world at large" is tempting you to take sides? To fight? To label others as bad?

As those statements sure seem to be directed at some group or another. Whom?

I do take that stance but it was not my authoring as explained on post 95, the first reply to your post that you keep ignoring.

Hmmm maybe I should explain abit better why I agree with the wording saving the world is a hoax. I haven't been provided with anything to save the world from yet, so using the phrase saving the world is a hoax covers all types of nonsensical hoaxes under that guise. Hence the alex jones example.

Again I was not the author please keep that in mind. I can make an educated guess that it was directed at the general masses. You can always contact the author because you have the info.

Also I did not claim those were my words in the OP, I merely agree with the stance taken perhaps that shines a light on your queries.

Also you have not convinced me that taking "your" side is beneficial in any way to my life.
 
I think this is a really good point to raise.

Has any conspiracy theorist uncovered those involved in the conspiracy?

So do we have those responsible for the faked moon landings, the faked Holocaust, the real assassins of JFK etc etc?
 

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