Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Her Grey Eminence said:
I guess I am missing something here. If Obama would pretend to be born in Kenya to boost his memoir sales, why would he not pretend to be born in Kenya if it boosted his chances of admission to Harvard?

Whether this is true or not or even particularly significant are different questions. But I don't see why the scenario itself is beyond belief.
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Because Obama writes that he was born in Hawaii right in the very book that you say Obama was trying to hype by pretending he was born in Kenya! Don't you think that anyone who bought the book because they thought it was written by a Kenyan-born author would notice that little discrepancy?

Not to mention the fact that, at the very same time you think Obama was supposedly pretending to be born in Kenya to boost his memoir sales and could have told Harvard he was born in Kenya in order to get in, he was telling multiple major newspapers that he was born in Hawaii.

The publishing industry pamphlet was published in 1991. On February 6, 1990, the New York Times published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On February 7, 1990, the Chicago Tribune published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On February 8, 1990, the Washington Post published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On May 3, 1990, the Chicago Daily Herald published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. In Fall, 1990, Columbia Today published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. In January 1993, Chicago Magazine published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On February 10, 1993, the Chicago Tribune published another article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On August 7, 1995, the Los Angeles Times published a review of Obama's memoir saying he was born in Hawaii.

Don't you think Harvard might have noticed that little discrepancy? Especially considering that most of those articles stating that Obama was born in Hawaii were about Obama being selected as the President of the Harvard Law Review?

If this was a scam on Obama's part, it was the worst scam ever.
 
Ladewig said:
Now that's some damned fine posting.

You start with the assertions about Obama's college years.
You get called out and respond with "But it was parody!"
Then on the very next page, you are back to treating this stuff seriously.


Which is it, Robert Prey, parody or serious allegation?
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Both. The Parody consists of the words of Harry Reid ("The word is out...") and his unfounded allegation as to Romney's 10 year non-payment of taxes. Anyone can make unfounded allegations, including Wayne Allyn Root.
 
So if it is supposed to be serious, then why did you make this post which criticizes us for taking the underlying points seriously?

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Like all the rest of the "Deep Thinkers" on this board, you just don't get it.
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Also, why do you ignore all the posts from folks who did treat the story as serious and then debunked the entire affair?


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ETA: if it is supposed to be parody, why do so few right-wingers on the internet recognize the parody?
 
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davefoc said:
I apparently am the only one that thought this, which probably means I don't have a clue about what is going on here, but I thought the opening post was a parody of Harry Reid's attacks on Romney for not paying any taxes.
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Not the only one - this thread has a few others claiming to spot the parody, but let's talk about parody. We live in the age of Poe's Law. So, while it is easy for everyone to recognize "The word is out that Harry Reid sells ho's" as parody, it is somewhat, shall we say, unrealistic to expect everyone to recognize the article by Wayne Allyn Root as parody. Let me put it in even broader context. A couple of years ago, the number of Republicans who were confident that President Obama was born in the U.S. dropped below 40%. If one's team is starting from that position, then one will have to forgive the other team for not recognizing something as being both over-the-top and deadly serious.
 
Ladewig said:
Not the only one - this thread has a few others claiming to spot the parody, but let's talk about parody. We live in the age of Poe's Law. So, while it is easy for everyone to recognize "The word is out that Harry Reid sells ho's" as parody, it is somewhat, shall we say, unrealistic to expect everyone to recognize the article by Wayne Allyn Root as parody.
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Particularly when this "parody" is about 90% just re-hashing stupid claims that Wayne Allyn Root has been making for years now. That's not a parody, that's Wayne Allyn Root trying to ride someone's shirt tails in hopes that people will believe his ******** this time around.
 
I see you're back, Robert. Are you willing to say that the claim of Obama receiving aid as a foreign student was BS? Are you planning to repeat it elsewhere in spite of what you've learned here?
 
Horatius said:
Particularly when this "parody" is about 90% just re-hashing stupid claims that Wayne Allyn Root has been making for years now. That's not a parody, that's Wayne Allyn Root trying to ride someone's shirt tails in hopes that people will believe his ******** this time around.
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Well, that makes things easier.

Robert Prey,I want you to know that when Harry Reid said that stuff about "The word is..." he was parodying W.A. Root. Feel free to try to dismiss my claim using any logical devices or constructions at your disposal. I am surprised all of the "Deep Thinkers" on the right did not recognize it as such.


Oh, I almost forgot: it was serious and parody at the same time - I wonder what is in those tax returns. Maybe it is something that will show he is ineligible to hold the office of president, hmmmmmm?!
 
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Parody only works when the work being parodied is known. Until this thread I wasn't even aware Reid had made such an accusation.
 
Travis said:
Parody only works when the work being parodied is known. Until this thread I wasn't even aware Reid had made such an accusation.
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I didn't either, but just to show that I am not a monomaniacal leftist, I will freely admit that what Harry Reid did was so stupid that it deserves mocking and parodies. It was a shameful thing to put forth in a congressional chamber.

In fact I will go even farther and say that it was so stupid, that it deserves mocking from now until election day.
 
It is stupid but it is stupidity about something that, if true, would be much more relevant to an election than thirty year old college transcripts.
 
Travis said:
It is stupid but it is stupidity about something that, if true, would be much more relevant to an election than thirty year old college transcripts.
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If you say a stupid thing about a very important idea, it is still a stupid thing.

Not that I think we are talking about a very important idea - my point is the topic does not excuse in any way the stupidity of Harry Reid's statement.
 
ANTPogo said:
Because Obama writes that he was born in Hawaii right in the very book that you say Obama was trying to hype by pretending he was born in Kenya! Don't you think that anyone who bought the book because they thought it was written by a Kenyan-born author would notice that little discrepancy?

Not to mention the fact that, at the very same time you think Obama was supposedly pretending to be born in Kenya to boost his memoir sales and could have told Harvard he was born in Kenya in order to get in, he was telling multiple major newspapers that he was born in Hawaii.

The publishing industry pamphlet was published in 1991. On February 6, 1990, the New York Times published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On February 7, 1990, the Chicago Tribune published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On February 8, 1990, the Washington Post published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On May 3, 1990, the Chicago Daily Herald published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. In Fall, 1990, Columbia Today published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. In January 1993, Chicago Magazine published an article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On February 10, 1993, the Chicago Tribune published another article about Obama saying he was born in Hawaii. On August 7, 1995, the Los Angeles Times published a review of Obama's memoir saying he was born in Hawaii.

Don't you think Harvard might have noticed that little discrepancy? Especially considering that most of those articles stating that Obama was born in Hawaii were about Obama being selected as the President of the Harvard Law Review?

If this was a scam on Obama's part, it was the worst scam ever.
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Yes, well you certainly nailed that one.

Still we are left with a mystery of how that publishing industry pamphlet was produced with so much misinformation. Of which one item can be found here
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya
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Presuming finance minister in Kenya means what it does in other commonwealth countries it is the equivalent of saying he was the Secretary of the Treasury in the US (I think - my knowledge of things American is not enormous).
The correct role was given in subsequent media interviews of that year. So lets say not colouring his background to promote sales of his memoirs, but being loose with the facts in order to get his book contract in the first place - as not for Obama the humdrum business of writing a book and hawking it from publishing house to publishing house.

Don't be surprised if his Harvard application would be a bit of giggle, though. I have read a few letters of motivation from Americans trying to get into elite medical schools and the temptation to smirk was too difficult to resist. Whatt you Yanquis have to do for career advancement is quite hideous.

And as for your claim that if anything stupid had been put in his Harvard application he would surely have been found out, all I can say is "Classical Armenian"
http://www.thebaffler.com/past/adam_wheeler_went_to_harvard/
Of course this guy did get caught, but not because his claims were absurd, but because he applied for a Fullbright scholarship who are required to fact check.

And just to finish the little trawl through Obama's meteoric rise to top I did in response to your prompting, you might find this entertaining.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/1990/02/15/a_law_review_breakthrough/

1990:
"I thought, 'This guy sounds like he's president of the country already,' " said John Owens, a former co-worker from Chicago, during a telephone interview. "I've never met anyone who could leave that impression after only five minutes."
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Now there's affirmative action for you. Poor Hilary never stood a chance - still she seems happy enough stirring up civil wars in Libya and Syria. What is it about these female Democrat Secretary of States that they are so aroused by the smell of blood?
 
Her Grey Eminence said:
Still we are left with a mystery of how that publishing industry pamphlet was produced with so much misinformation. Of which one item can be found here
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html
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The person who wrote the bio undoubtedly scraped together (and garbled) publicly-available information about Obama, such as those news stories. Wikipedia certainly never existed back then. By her own admission, the woman who wrote that bio never talked to Obama himself.

Just like the writer of the bios of the New Kids on the Block that were published in that very same pamphlet probably never talked to them personally, either.

The correct role was given in subsequent media interviews of that year. So lets say not colouring his background to promote sales of his memoirs, but being loose with the facts in order to get his book contract in the first place - as not for Obama the humdrum business of writing a book and hawking it from publishing house to publishing house.
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The problem is that Obama didn't need to do that...Dystel came to him first, after reading all those news pieces about the first black president of Harvard Law Review (you know, the ones that say Obama was born in Hawaii). And she's the one who shopped the book to the various publishers, not Obama.

Not to mention the fact that Obama never actually wrote the book being promoted by the erroneous pamphlet. He received a contract to write a book called Journeys in Black and White (the title mentioned in the pamphlet), but is unable to complete it and in late 1992 the contract is terminated.

A couple years later, Dystel pitches a similar book by Obama, with a different title (and not using that pamphlet, since that pamphlet was 1991-specific thing), and that book is published as Dreams From My Father.

Don't be surprised if his Harvard application would be a bit of giggle, though. I have read a few letters of motivation from Americans trying to get into elite medical schools and the temptation to smirk was too difficult to resist. Whatt you Yanquis have to do for career advancement is quite hideous.
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Come back when you have anything more than speculation built on falsehoods for this.

And as for your claim that if anything stupid had been put in his Harvard application he would surely have been found out, all I can say is "Classical Armenian"
http://www.thebaffler.com/past/adam_wheeler_went_to_harvard/
Of course this guy did get caught, but not because his claims were absurd, but because he applied for a Fullbright scholarship who are required to fact check.
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Why do you think the story of a guy who kept his true birthplace secret for his application is in any way comparable to Obama, who blabbed his true birthplace to a half dozen or more national newspapers? Why would Harvard need to do a "fact check" when they could just read the New York Times, the LA Times, or the Chicago Tribune and learn the truth?

Now there's affirmative action for you. Poor Hilary never stood a chance - still she seems happy enough stirring up civil wars in Libya and Syria. What is it about these female Democrat Secretary of States that they are so aroused by the smell of blood?
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And that has what, exactly, to do with Obama freely and openly telling newspapers the nation over that he was born in Hawaii at the same time you think he was secretly trying to present himself as Kenyan born to promote a book that also freely and openly said he was born in Hawaii?
 
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Why do you think the story of a guy who kept his true birthplace secret for his application is in any way comparable to Obama, who blabbed his true birthplace to a half dozen or more national newspapers? Why would Harvard need to do a "fact check" when they could just read the New York Times, the LA Times, or the Chicago Tribune and learn the truth?
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Because if you think Harvard fact checks media interviews on students 2 years after they have gained admission to check against the material supplied during application, you have very little idea.

I am sure if you got hold of his application it would show a crawler and a toady the highest order - but if that is a skeleton in the closet I expect there are a quite a few of those for people in public life.

I don't think it is an important issue btw, for me Obama is an undesirable person to be president because he said he killed Osama bin Laden the way he said he would kill Osama bin Laden during the presidential campaign - by a unilateral intrusion of Pakistani sovereignty.

That to me indicates an individual who does a lot of lying and has a lot of people covering up for him - and go far back enough that will manifest itself. It appears by 1990 he was seriously being considered as a President by the powers that be, so he would have known he would need to have public persona in order. But before that, anything might be possible.
 
So, Obama did to Bin Laden exactly what he said he was going to do to Bin Laden..therefore he's an untrustworthy liar?

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