Scientology abandoned by Hubbard's granddaughter & Miscavige's father

[Justinian2]

What is rarely discussed, however, is Hubbard's secret teachings, which disclose his thoughts on why mankind has been
plagued by problems through history, the topic of the disputed
documents.

Generally, the documents suggest that a major cause of mankind's
problems began 75 million years ago, when the planet Earth, then
called Teegeeach, was part of a confederation of 90 planets under
the leadership of a tyrannical ruler named Xemu. http://www.skeptictank.org/files//skeptic/scient4d.htm

The bridge starts out with Life Repair.

Most Scientologists never see the one page in the 5 fifteen thousand page encyclopedias worth of information on Scientology that keeps getting mentioned. Satan doesn't get mentioned in the bible much either, but he/she sure gets people's interest..

 

[dafydd]

The bridge starts out with Life Repair.

Most Scientologists never see the one page in the 5 fifteen thousand page encyclopedias worth of information on Scientology that keeps getting mentioned. Satan doesn't get mentioned in the bible much either, but he/she sure gets people's interest..

What about Ron the Con's war wounds? Why are you too cowardly to answer that question?

 

[The Dark Lord]

The bridge starts out with Life Repair.

Most Scientologists never see the one page in the 5 fifteen thousand page encyclopedias worth of information on Scientology that keeps getting mentioned. Satan doesn't get mentioned in the bible much either, but he/she sure gets people's interest..

Yes, we understand that they don't tell people that insane story until they have been brainwashed thoroughly and have been scammed out of a lot of money.

But the fact of the matter is that the founder of your "religion" actually wrote that story. He intended it to be literal. It is Xenu's fault that there are body thetans bouncing around ruining everybody's lives.

 

[elbe]

The bridge starts out with Life Repair.

Most Scientologists never see the one page in the 5 fifteen thousand page encyclopedias worth of information on Scientology that keeps getting mentioned. Satan doesn't get mentioned in the bible much either, but he/she sure gets people's interest..

Why the obsession with page counts?

Most of people's knowledge of satan comes from apocryphal sources (Like Milton). The weirdnesses in scientology appear to be fully doctrinal.

 

[dafydd]

But the fact of the matter is that the founder of your "religion" actually wrote that story. He intended it to be literal. It is Xenu's fault that there are body thetans bouncing around ruining everybody's lives.

Not evil leprechauns? The reason that Justinian is avoiding the war record question is that his beliefs are based on lies, and he knows it.

 

[Justinian2]

What about Ron the Con's war wounds? Why are you too cowardly to answer that question?

Regarding Ron's blindness, I already have:

From Wikipedia:

Conversion disorder is where patients suffer apparently neurological symptoms, such as numbness, blindness, paralysis, or fits, but without a neurological cause. It is thought that these problems arise in response to difficulties in the patient's life, and conversion is considered a psychiatric disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition (DSM-IV).[1]

It's more than possible that Ron used his own process to heal himself. It's plausible.

Do I know for sure? No.

 

[The Dark Lord]

Regarding Ron's blindness, I already have:

From Wikipedia:



It's more than possible that Ron used his own process to heal himself. It's plausible.

Do I know for sure? No.

You attempted to address it. But it was rather pathetic. Because LRon claimed he was severely wounded in combat (didn't happen). Nothing to do with conversion disorder.

PS: Don't you people think that psychiatrists are evil and that their profession is a scam?

 

[Justinian2]

Not evil leprechauns? The reason that Justinian is avoiding the war record question is that his beliefs are based on lies, and he knows it.

Forty years ago I subdued my panic attacks with a process I developed. Psychiatric meds didn't work. Beta blockers I took thirty years later to manage my BP would have worked. Scientology processing eliminated the panic attacks long before I took medication. The reason I mention this is an example that Scientology processes work deep into the sub conscious.

Yes, I do take some meds to manage my BP when I'm consulting. Don't need them when I'm home. Auditing gets the BP down, but I can't avoid getting too much salt in my diet, so I take the smallest dose of hydrochlorothiazide for my BP. I exercise too. I do it all.

Anyway, do I believe that LRH developed methods to deal with his war wounds? It is more than plausible.

 

[Twiler]

Forty years ago I subdued my panic attacks with a process I developed. Psychiatric meds didn't work. Beta blockers I took thirty years later to manage my BP would have worked. Scientology processing eliminated the panic attacks long before I took medication. The reason I mention this is an example that Scientology processes work deep into the sub conscious.

Yes, I do take some meds to manage my BP when I'm consulting. Don't need them when I'm home. Auditing gets the BP down, but I can't avoid getting too much salt in my diet, so I take the smallest dose of hydrochlorothiazide for my BP. I exercise too. I do it all.

Anyway, do I believe that LRH developed methods to deal with his war wounds? It is more than plausible.

Is there anything not written by scientologists to support this?

 

[Justinian2]

Is there anything not written by scientologists to support this?

About too much salt in my diet? Yea, I should eat a diet of fruit and vegies.

But have you ever read how much salt there is in frozen foods and hot dogs? It's hard to eat a normal diet and not get too much salt.

 

[dafydd]

Regarding Ron's blindness, I already have:

From Wikipedia:



It's more than possible that Ron used his own process to heal himself. It's plausible.

Do I know for sure? No.

Yes. Ron's war record is public.

 

[dafydd]

Anyway, do I believe that LRH developed methods to deal with his war wounds? It is more than plausible.

It is totally implausible.

http://www.lermanet.com/L_Ron_Hubbard/

Freedom of Information

The Scientology has had an official copy of Hubbard's service record since June of 1979. It's main concern, of course, was to find out what everybody else had found out. So Scientology wrote the Navy and asked what information it had released to the California Department of Justice, which had requested information. The Navy said it had released no detrimental information, as there was no detrimental information in Hubbard's record. This would have been truer if Hubbard and the Church of Scientology would not have been distributing their own versions on a millionfold scale of what a big war hero Hubbard supposedly was, how he supposedly had been crippled and blinded from war injuries and how he had allegedly cured himself with his superhuman Scientology powers.

 

[The Dark Lord]

Even if one is crazy enough to believe that Dianetics could be used to heal debilitating wounds, there is still the pesky little fact that LRon was never wounded in the first place; he never even saw any combat (unless you count shelling a Mexican island or "sinking" Japanese subs off the coast of Oregon that were really just rocks).

 

[dafydd]

Even if one is crazy enough to believe that Dianetics could be used to heal debilitating wounds, there is still the pesky little fact that LRon was never wounded in the first place; he never even saw any combat (unless you count shelling a Mexican island or "sinking" Japanese subs off the coast of Oregon that were really just rocks).

http://www.lermanet.com/L_Ron_Hubbard/mr380.htm

Ron the Con was found to be "lacking in essential qualities of judgment, leadership and cooperation"


http://www.lermanet.com/L_Ron_Hubbard/mr127.htm


''In Hubbard's letter requesting combat duty, he said one of his qualifications was "Service in South West Pacific" intelligence from December 1941 to March 1942. Actually he left the United States December 17, 1941 and did not report for duty until January 11, 1942. He arrived back in the USA March 23, 1942, which means he probably left Australia about February 23. It took that long by boat. That means the total time he was attached closer to one month than it was three months. ''

http://www.lermanet.com/L_Ron_Hubbard/mr554.htm

Ron the Con's Navy file can be downloaded from here.

http://www.lermanet2.com/cac/cac.htm

 

[dafydd]

"Can I tell you this? Can I just tell you this? That I would never do a favor for the church of scientology founded by a loony called L. Ron Hubbard." Australian Premier Mike Rann, speaking in Australian parliament, May 2009

A man of sound judgement.

 

[dafydd]

http://www.lermanet.com/#judicialquotes

 

[Twiler]

About too much salt in my diet? Yea, I should eat a diet of fruit and vegies.

But have you ever read how much salt there is in frozen foods and hot dogs? It's hard to eat a normal diet and not get too much salt.

No, I'm referring to the bit that I highlighted, not the bit you highlighted.

 

[dafydd]

About too much salt in my diet? Yea, I should eat a diet of fruit and vegies.

But have you ever read how much salt there is in frozen foods and hot dogs? It's hard to eat a normal diet and not get too much salt.

Don't be so disingenuous. You know very well that the question was about Ron's lies about his war record. You're trolling, aren't you? I don't mind if you are, it has been very amusing. You've kept it up for long enough, you can drop the mask now.

 

[Justinian2]

"Can I tell you this? Can I just tell you this? That I would never do a favor for the church of scientology founded by a loony called L. Ron Hubbard." Australian Premier Mike Rann, speaking in Australian parliament, May 2009

A man of sound judgement.

It's a fact that he uttered his opinion about Scientology.

 

[Justinian2]

Don't be so disingenuous. You know very well that the question was about Ron's lies about his war record. You're trolling, aren't you? I don't mind if you are, it has been very amusing. You've kept it up for long enough, you can drop the mask now.

From my own personal experience, one can discover a process to run on one's self to heal conversion disorders.

Conversion disorder is where patients suffer apparently neurological symptoms, such as numbness, blindness, paralysis, or fits, but without a neurological cause. It is thought that these problems arise in response to difficulties in the patient's life, and conversion is considered a psychiatric disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition (DSM-IV).[1]

A conversion disorder could be considered a war injury - sort of.

Plausible? In every way.