Scientology abandoned by Hubbard's granddaughter & Miscavige's father

[dafydd]

It's a trick. He specified that the mass killing had to be "recent".

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I didn't know that psychiatrists were a recent invention.

 

[Myriad]

Clearly I'm on ignore.

Surely not! Even a mere Grade 1 Pre-Clear must acquire and demonstrate the ability to "communicate freely with anyone on any subject." How could the training for that ability fail to cover "don't put the person you're trying to communicate with on ignore"?

That ability is also why I'm confident that Justinian will soon return to our conversation about OT causes over MEST, and respond with the clarifications I've requested concerning his earlier claims.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Rrose Selavy]

Anders Behring Breivik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

Originally Posted by Justinian2
In every recent mass killing, you will find the perp. was under the care of a psychiatrist.

Every recent mass killing? Wrong. Wrong. WRONG.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Fred West
Doctor Crippen
[...]
Peter Sutcliffe
Harold Shipman

He also specified "mass killing", not serial killing.

It's almost like the challenge is not entirely honest...

 

[dafydd]

He also specified "mass killing", not serial killing.

It's almost like the challenge is not entirely honest...

And nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

 

[pakeha]

^
Indeed.

Anyway, more on the money trail here:
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/part9.shtml

 

[dafydd]

How much does it cost to be inside the freezone? Freezone, that sounds like a bad science fiction movie.

 

[ddt]

It's a trick. He specified that the mass killing had to be "recent".

In other words, he's seen in the news that the Batman guy was seeing a psychiatrist, and is now going to limit the definition of "recently" to include the Batman murders and only the Batman murders.

Ah yes, that's what "cause over MEST" and paying for OT1-OT8 does to you.

My conception of "recent" in this context is: since the first edition of "Dianetics".

He also specified "mass killing", not serial killing.

It's almost like the challenge is not entirely honest...

Yeah, I'm sure the 9/11-victims didn't die all at the same time either, there's sure to be a 1 millisecond timegap between each two.

FWIW, a "serial killer" stakes out his first victim, kills it, and then carefully starts staking out his second victim, etc. Anders Breyvik doesn't fit that pattern.

 

[dafydd]

Scientologists don't know everything about the human psyche. What a shock.

 

[pakeha]

Here's something I found about the freezone:
http://www.scientologymyths.info/freezone/

Freezoners (Ron's Org, Freezone, Galactic Patrol) are groups who alter Scientology technology and form their own groups to apply this altered technology. They are small in number and fairly insignificant to the Church. I understand the largest Freezone group is in Germany, which makes sense, since Germany is well behind the curve in supporting religious freedom.

Freezones are not religious in nature, they are money making ventures, originally started by Captain Bill Robertson.

They claim they cannot trust the current Church management structure (which was set up by L. Ron Hubbard) because it is not what Hubbard would want. They have had many criminals in their midsts. Such as Robertson, Robin Scott and David Mayo. Many of them are declared Suppressive Persons by the Church and freely admit so.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Freezone, that sounds like a bad science fiction movie.

Sounds like a brand of antifreeze.

 

[dafydd]

''Freezones are not religious in nature, they are money making ventures,''

Scientology is not a money making scam? Funny site, by the way. Thanks.

 

[pakeha]

And from wiki:

The first group to use the term Free Zone was the organization founded by "Captain" Bill Robertson in 1982, now known as Ron's Org. The name came from the "space opera" beliefs Robertson expressed in the "Free Zone Decree", which he said was an Official Decree of the "Galactic Grand Council" which was "relayed from Mainship, Sector 9":

1. The planet known as Teegeeack - local dialect "Earth" or Terra - Sun 12, Sector 9, is hereby declared a Free Zone.
2. No political interference in its affairs from any other part of the Sector or Galaxy will be tolerated.
3. No economic interference in its affairs will be tolerated from any non-planetary agency or power.
4. All of its inhabitants are hereby declared Free Zone Citizens and free of external political or economic interference.[7]

The name "Teegeeack" had already been established as a galactic name for Earth by Hubbard in the materials known as OT III, which tell the story of Xenu.[8]

Free Zone - an area not controlled by evil organizations or implanters, but free to expand spiritually (Sector 9 by Astar [3])

 

[dafydd]

And from wiki:

Oh dear. That is hilarious. Have any non-planetary powers tried to interfere with you, Justinian? Who would you complain to if they did?

 

[Justinian2]

Tim McVeigh, Hitler.

Did I win?

I found no evidence that Tim McVeigh saw a psychiatrist. McVeigh did experiment with cannabis and methamphetamine


However, I found this about Hitler:

Hitler's sexual dysfunction was responsible for war and his persecution of the Jews, according to Kurt Kreuger M.D. who claims he was Hitler's psychiatrist from 1919 to 1934. Hitler was given injections of some very strong stimulants and may have had Syphilis.

You'll need to find a replacement for Hitler.

 

[ddt]

Oh dear. That is hilarious. Have any non-planetary powers tried to interfere with you, Justinian? Who would you complain to if they did?

Why? To Senator Palpatine, obviously.

 

[dafydd]

Why? To Senator Palpatine, obviously.

How much does that cost?

 

[ddt]

I found no evidence that Tim McVeigh saw a psychiatrist. McVeigh did experiment with cannabis and methamphetamine


However, I found this about Hitler:



You'll need to find a replacement for Hitler.

Stalin.
Mao Zedong.
Ante Pavelic.
Ion Antonescu.

Wow is this game easy.

 

[dafydd]

Stalin.
Mao Zedong.
Ante Pavelic.
Ion Antonescu.

Wow is this game easy.

Yes, even for monkeys like us.

 

[ddt]

However, I found this about Hitler:

Hitler's sexual dysfunction was responsible for war and his persecution of the Jews, according to Kurt Kreuger M.D. who claims he was Hitler's psychiatrist from 1919 to 1934. Hitler was given injections of some very strong stimulants and may have had Syphilis.

You'll need to find a replacement for Hitler.

Can you substantiate that quote? I looked in the index of Ian Kershaw's two volume biography of Hitler, and Kreuger is not mentioned. So colour me skeptical that he actually was Hitler's psychiatrist for 15 years.

ETA: From Axis History Forum:

The accusation that Hitler had syphilis comes from a rather notorious book: I Was Hitler's Doctor, by Kurt Krueger (Biltmore publishing co. inc. , New York, 1943). Krueger was in fact not Hitler's doctor, as is rather conclusively proven by Robert G.L. Waite in an appendix on sources in his The Psychopathic God Adolf Hitler, (Basic Books, N.Y.C., 1977), and so these accusations can safely be dismissed.