Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[johnny karate]

lol

Did he fall down a flight of stairs or something?

After being punched in the nose, why would someone need to fall down a flight of stairs in order to sustain an abrasion and two small cuts?

Just tell me how many times you think Zimmerman fell and hit his head from that single punch, to account for not only the injuries but the marks seen in the photos.

Never mind.

I see you are citing non-evidence as evidence.

Some random person simply asserts the existence of "marks" that neither medical professionals who physically examined Zimmerman document in their reports, and suddenly other people are required to account for these "marks".

It makes your use of the term "Trayvon Truther" all the more laughable.

 

[johnny karate]

There's the truth, and there's the Truth^TM.

The latter requires thinking like a conspiracy theorist.

I'm using the official medical documentation to account for Zimmerman's injuries.

You are using a blue-arrow-laden photo created by a random person on the Internet to account for Zimmerman's injuries.

Remind me who is the conspiracy theorist and why?

 

[WildCat]

Not counting the time he fell into the barrel of blue arrows, it appears that he fell over backwards once accounting for the two wounds on the back of his head that were noted in the medical report. The abrasion on the side of his head could have been caused if George had rolled to his side to try and get up when trayvon jumped on him to restrain him until help arrived.

 

[WildCat]

After being punched in the nose, why would someone need to fall down a flight of stairs in order to sustain an abrasion and two small cuts?



Never mind.

I see you are citing non-evidence as evidence.

Some random person simply asserts the existence of "marks" that neither medical professionals who physically examined Zimmerman document in their reports, and suddenly other people are required to account for these "marks".

It makes your use of the term "Trayvon Truther" all the more laughable.

I'm using the official medical documentation to account for Zimmerman's injuries.

You are using a blue-arrow-laden photo created by a random person on the Internet to account for Zimmerman's injuries.

Remind me who is the conspiracy theorist and why?

So if you ignore all the evidence and cherry-pick only that which supports your theory your case is supported?

If the prosecution tries that in court Zimmerman will walk.

eta: and lol at the claim that 2 abrasions are the result of a single strike of the head to the pavement!

 

[Moss]

Just tell me how many times you think Zimmerman fell and hit his head from that single punch, to account for not only the injuries but the marks seen in the photos.

Why do the marks in the photo require either falls or punches?

 

[WildCat]

Why do the marks in the photo require either falls or punches?

That's true, one of the trayvon Truthers here was hinting that Zimmerman's wife knocked him around a bit to fake the injuries. Is that your angle?

 

[Moss]

That's true, one of the trayvon Truthers here was hinting that Zimmerman's wife knocked him around a bit to fake the injuries. Is that your angle?

Please answer my question. Why would those marks (which some may be abrasions and others dried blood) be either the result of repeated falls or punches? Because what you just posted is not an answer to that at all.

 

[Dan O.]

So if you ignore all the evidence and cherry-pick only that which supports your theory your case is supported?

If the prosecution tries that in court Zimmerman will walk.

eta: and lol at the claim that 2 abrasions are the result of a single strike of the head to the pavement!

You have no argument. I offered you the chance to choose the evidence that we would discusse but you refused. You keep retarding this thread by going back to all the blue arrows, most of which point to nothing.

If you want to bring in any other perported injuries, you will have to explicitly show where they are and what you are talking about so we can all examine them in detail.

 

[johnny karate]

So if you ignore all the evidence and cherry-pick only that which supports your theory your case is supported?

What evidence do you imagine I am ignoring? I am citing the injuries documented in the medical reports in total.

eta: and lol at the claim that 2 abrasions are the result of a single strike of the head to the pavement!

Who claimed that? What is in dispute is how many times Zimmerman would had to have fallen to account for his injuries. You seem to think it's more than once without bothering to provide justification for thinking that.

 

[Cylinder]

When the witness claimed "A or B", you dropped the "or" and asserted that the witness claimed "A". This shows a failure in elemental logic on your part.

Huh? I'm not talking about hitting or forcibly restraining. I'm talking about W6s claim that Zimmerman was trying to "definitely" trying to get up and Zimmerman's claim that he was trying to fend off or block Martin's attack while he was on the ground and mounted.

 

[johnny karate]

delete

 

[Dancing David]

Just tell me how many times you think Zimmerman fell and hit his head from that single punch, to account for not only the injuries but the marks seen in the photos.

Or we can wait for the trial.

 

[Dan O.]

Huh? I'm not talking about hitting or forcibly restraining. I'm talking about W6s claim that Zimmerman was trying to "definitely" trying to get up and Zimmerman's claim that he was trying to fend off or block Martin's attack while he was on the ground and mounted.

Then why didn't you say so? Just because this is JREF doesn't mean that everybody is an MDC mind reading applicant.


About that attack, could it be that Zimmerman was flailing his arms about and Martin was simply trying to restrain him in his deluded state so hi woulnd't cause further harm to himself? Would this be consistent with what the witness saw?

 

[Cylinder]

About that attack, could it be that Zimmerman was flailing his arms about and Martin was simply trying to restrain him in his deluded state so hi woulnd't cause further harm to himself? Would this be consistent with what the witness saw?

What deluded state? What harm to himself?

Certainly Martin did not react when W6 came to warn them to stop. I would also question why exactly Martin felt the need to inflict those injuries without any of his own other than the knuckle injury and forcibly restrain Zimmerman or continue hitting him after over a minute of cries for help.

 

[johnny karate]

Certainly Martin did not react when W6 came to warn them to stop.

What significance do you imagine this has?

I would also question why exactly Martin felt the need to inflict those injuries without any of his own other than the knuckle injury...

Does someone need to be injured before they can defend themselves? How do you know Zimmerman didn't grab, shove, or swing and miss Martin before Martin punched him?

...and forcibly restrain Zimmerman...

The reason Martin might have had for attempting to restrain the armed man who would eventually shoot him seems self-evident.

...or continue hitting him after over a minute of cries for help.

What evidence do you have that Martin continued to hit Zimmerman.

(I see blue arrows in my future.)

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Your continued use of the phrase "Trayvon Truthers" indicates to me you have no interest in the truth at all.

When you have many people on one side continually throwing out endless conspiracy theories and making things up*, it becomes hard not to use that type of language. Speaking of which, a while back you claimed that there was an ongoing investigation into GZ molesting his cousin. I saw several people ask you for a source for that statement, but strangely you ignored them all. Would you please provide us with that source?

*The two go especially well together, for instance, some first claimed GZ injured himself, then later claimed no one ever suggested any such thing.

 

[WildCat]

Please answer my question. Why would those marks (which some may be abrasions and others dried blood) be either the result of repeated falls or punches? Because what you just posted is not an answer to that at all.

It seems clear to me there's multiple injuries and abrasions and marks, indicating multiple punches.

I find it fascinating that people like Dan O. can ascribe the 2 cuts on the back of Zimmerman's head to a single fall. How about you, do you find the claim that the 2 cuts on the back of his had were caused by a single fall credible?

 

[WildCat]

You have no argument. I offered you the chance to choose the evidence that we would discusse but you refused. You keep retarding this thread by going back to all the blue arrows, most of which point to nothing.

If you want to bring in any other perported injuries, you will have to explicitly show where they are and what you are talking about so we can all examine them in detail.

And once again you show you have no interest in anything but denial.

Just for the sake of argument, even you admit there's 2 cuts on the back of Zimmerman's head, correct?

And you ascribe both of them to a single fall?

 

[WildCat]

What evidence do you imagine I am ignoring? I am citing the injuries documented in the medical reports in total.

You're claiming 2 cuts from a single fall, yes?

Who claimed that? What is in dispute is how many times Zimmerman would had to have fallen to account for his injuries. You seem to think it's more than once without bothering to provide justification for thinking that.

So you're not claiming the cuts on the back of Zimmerman's head are the result of a fall after being punched?

 

[johnny karate]

You're claiming 2 cuts from a single fall, yes?


So you're not claiming the cuts on the back of Zimmerman's head are the result of a fall after being punched?

I'm claiming Zimmerman received two small cuts during the struggle. Perhaps one was sustained when he actually fell. I don't know.

Why you keep insisting multiple falls need to be involved remains a mystery.