JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

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Tomtomkent said:
As to the known photographic record, I remind Robert he himself posted images from the autopsy.
"Tiny" remains an unquantified term. Robert has no way of knowing how big or small the "large and gaping" descriptor meant. Clark only described the wound he examined in that quote. He was not comparing it to any other wound.

If Robert believes he knows when a wound is "tiny" or "large" in Clarks opinion, why can he not furnish us with a measurement or scale.?

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Now then boys and girls, for the benefit of TomTom can you describe which of the back of the head wounds is "tiny", and which is "large"????


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Robert Prey said:
"A missile had gone in or out of the back of his head...":
Dr. Clark :

In or out is not what the WC concluded.

"The head wound could have been either the exit wound from the neck or it could have been a tangential wound, as it was simply a large, gaping loss of tissue." -- Dr. Clark
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Nobody said Clark stated the WC conclusions, but is consistant with them

He confirmed the possibility of an entry wound, thus is consistant.

You claim it was a blow out that can only be an exit. Not consistant with Clarks own statement that it could be entry or exit.


Boy,you just dragging out enough rope to hang yourself. Dont worry, when you are ready a teacher will arrive.
 
jimfish said:
Do you happen to have the complete interview? I did some light Googling and can't find it, aside from the quote you provide. The guy who is alledged to have done the interview, David Naro, a steel salesman, seems to have appeared and disappeared over night, and has prompted some speculation over how truthful the encounter was...

Edit: And to show just how obscure Naro is, by the time I got to the fourth page of Google results, I had already come across my own post less than 20 minutes after posting it.
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The words "blown out" hardly need to be questioned since Dr. Clark stated essentially the same thing in his WC statement:

"There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region." "Both cerebral and cerebellar tissues were extruding from the wound."

"Extruding" -- that means outward from the wound. Same thing as "blown out."
 
Robert Prey said:
Now then boys and girls, for the benefit of TomTom can you describe which of the back of the head wounds is "tiny", and which is "large"????


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What it we compared both wounds to a pinprick or the moon?

Again, i am so happy the hospitals are full of people suffering from tiny bullet entry wounds.

Perhaps Robert could explain which psychic ability he used to know Clarks definitions.
 
jimfish said:
Do you happen to have the complete interview? I did some light Googling and can't find it, aside from the quote you provide. The guy who is alledged to have done the interview, David Naro, a steel salesman, seems to have appeared and disappeared over night, and has prompted some speculation over how truthful the encounter was...

Edit: And to show just how obscure Naro is, by the time I got to the fourth page of Google results, I had already come across my own post less than 20 minutes after posting it.
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Isn't amazing how Robert supplies one quote for evidence, but then relies on a different quote they made years later that says something different.

Then again the wounds were rorschach tests, so any detail is void.
 
Robert Prey said:
The words "blown out" hardly need to be questioned since Dr. Clark stated essentially the same thing in his WC statement:

"There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region." "Both cerebral and cerebellar tissues were extruding from the wound."

"Extruding" -- that means outward from the wound. Same thing as "blown out."
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That's not really what I'm questioning. I'm questioning the authenticity and reliability of the source, not the words "blown out." Naro's quote has been copied and pasted verbatim all the way back to '95, if not sooner, but never anything more than that one quote. It's the only thing that exists from this supposed interview with Clark; a man who was said to decline most, if not all, interview requests, would then give up the goods to a steel salesman who phoned him up one day?

It sounds very dubious.
 
Robert Prey said:
Now then boys and girls, for the benefit of TomTom can you describe which of the back of the head wounds is "tiny", and which is "large"????


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Are these large "blow-outs" in your feet from self-inflicted gunshots? Or are they small?


LOL
 
Robert Prey said:
The words "blown out" hardly need to be questioned since Dr. Clark stated essentially the same thing in his WC statement:

"There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region." "Both cerebral and cerebellar tissues were extruding from the wound."

"Extruding" -- that means outward from the wound. Same thing as "blown out."
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Well let's see if there are any reasons something might extrude from an entry wound:

In the real world

In the real world there is smething called "gravity". JFK was on his back and was not rolled over while at the hospital, according to the witness. Now regardless of if the wound was an exit or entry wound, gravity would be acting on the damaged brain, pulling it downwards. Normally there would be a skull to stop it moving, now there is a hole. Gravity acting on matter, pulling it downwards, causes extrusion, exactly as it causes blood to pool out of an entry wound.

But wait, what about in Robert World...

In Robert World

Robert thinks that ejecta comes out of the entry wound towards the shooter thanks to something called the jet effect, which he describes thus:
Robert Prey said:
I see a shot from the front blowing out his head producing a predictable jet effect spray of blood, brain and tissue.
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Robert Prey said:
Here's an idea for you. Fill a balloon with water to the point where it might burst Then place the balloon about once inch from your face. Then take a needle and burst the balloon right in front of your face. If you get a face-full of water, you have just experience the "jet effect."

You're welcome.
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Now given that Robert thinks the jet effect is predictable and expected, and includes the ejection of blood and brain tissue, one has to wonder how he has been able to discount this as the cause for the extruding tissue. Is the description of the wound not entirely consistent with an entry wound as Robert describes them anyway?
 
Robert,

Why is the blood mist appear in the front of JFK's head, if the shot came from the front?

Why is none of the forensic evidence found in the car, consistent with a shot from the front?
 
jimfish said:
That's not really what I'm questioning. I'm questioning the authenticity and reliability of the source, not the words "blown out." Naro's quote has been copied and pasted verbatim all the way back to '95, if not sooner, but never anything more than that one quote. It's the only thing that exists from this supposed interview with Clark; a man who was said to decline most, if not all, interview requests, would then give up the goods to a steel salesman who phoned him up one day?

It sounds very dubious.
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Irrelevant. Dr. Clark "gave up the goods" in his Warren Comm. Statement.
There's nothing new in the Naro interview.
 
Robert Prey said:
Try this. Fill up a balloon with water till it almost bursts. Then burst it from the front with a pin with face directly in front of the pin. .
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So "extrude" does not mean "blown out" it can mean "entry wound".

Thank you for further proving that Clarks descriptions do not necesserily mean an exit wound.
 
Robert Prey said:
Try this. Fill up a balloon with water till it almost bursts. Then burst it from the front with a pin with face directly in front of the pin. .
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Yeah.....no. Perhaps you should try it. Or perhaps, you should take a Physics 101.

So, how does all that blood, bone and brain matter find it's way into the forward compartment.....of car moving forward?

Care to try again?
 
Robert Prey said:
Try this. Fill up a balloon with water till it almost bursts. Then burst it from the front with a pin with face directly in front of the pin. .
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Post that video again that you posted so early in the thread showing a "blow-out" in a plate of metal! That was the first shot to your feet, LOL! Oops!
 
Robert Prey said:
Irrelevant. Dr. Clark "gave up the goods" in his Warren Comm. Statement.
There's nothing new in the Naro interview.
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Except the "blown out" detail you seemed to think was relevent.

So you can't verify the interview, and can only claim they are the words of somebody else claiming they came from Clark?

So all you have to rely on is still your subjective view that an entry wound is not "large and gaping" as there is a possibility of larger wounds?

Pffft.

Ready for that teacher yet? Or should I just call your posts "baloney"?
 
Robert Prey said:
Try this. Fill up a balloon with water till it almost bursts. Then burst it from the front with a pin with face directly in front of the pin. .
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Robert, I suggest that you spend some time with high velocity/high sectional density projectiles on like kind target media - water balloon/pin analogies have no place in this discussion.

Skulls aren't elastic like balloons, and water doesn't simulate brain matter.

The Z film is consistent with a rifle caliber headshot from the rear, period.
 
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