Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Dancing David]

You have no idea what my position on sexual battery/rape is, neither do I know what yours is either.

Then why keep making statements about trioforcharity's beliefs, you just made some two posts ago, false characterizations of t-f-'s statement.

 

[Dancing David]

OMG, I can't believe you really typed that and you think it's valid. Do you know anything about sexual child abuse? Honestly, this is beyond disgusting. If kids always spoke up or threatened to tell "mommy and daddy", there would be very little child abuse. Nice corner, hate the paint color you chose.

I am also shocked, but K. will claim that your response is part of the problem of 'outrage'.

 

[Dancing David]

Look into why Janet Reno might have chose to become a member of the Innocence Project. She prosecuted with special zeal a number of cases like this and ruined many people's lives.

Then she found out they were innocent, and why the 'abuse' came to the fore.

Talk about a giant strawman, what level of outrage specifically is there in this exact case?

the outrage you exaggerated from two posters on the JREF to the world at large?

 

[Dancing David]

Which is, again, why there is no point in discussing this alleged incident until we have some additional information.

 

[Kaosium]

And the words of the alleged victim are still evidence, so your point is sophistry.

Wouldn't that actually require charges?

At any rate if we start prosecuting people for sexual experimentation that amounts to touching when they were kids because one party years later become convinced they were 'raped' or 'molested' we will have the better part of a generation in jail. It's called hormones.

Huh, and people used to say preaching abstinence was a sorry ass way of combating teen pregnancy!

 

[Dancing David]

Unless the victim is George Zimmerman.

Is that something trioforcharity ever said, or did you just find a broad brush there?

 

[Dancing David]

Just remember they were both children at the time. I got beat up sometimes by other kids in the neighborhood, humiliated and injured at times. I'd run into them later in life and they turned out fine; I don't see the need to try to destroy their lives or dwell on it. They were children too, and what they did then should not destroy their lives. We need to keep that in mind, there's no comparison between this (even if absolutely true) and an adult authority figure sexually abusing someone. None.

Excuse me, continuing sexual contact against her wishes is not consenting by innocent children.


The allegation is that it was against her will as the sexual acts continued.

 

[KatieG]

Just remember they were both children at the time. I got beat up sometimes by other kids in the neighborhood, humiliated and injured at times. I'd run into them later in life and they turned out fine; I don't see the need to try to destroy their lives or dwell on it. They were children too, and what they did then should not destroy their lives. We need to keep that in mind, there's no comparison between this (even if absolutely true) and an adult authority figure sexually abusing someone. None.

I remember clearly, not sure that you do. It continued over a period of years, not a one time thing. Being children doesn't make it ok, they were both way beyond the "playing doctor" stuff that young children do.

The attempts to minimize this witness statement, implying a one time assault, that they were children, that she never told, so it never happened, are beyond disgusting.

Please explain to me why you think abuse is different, depending on who's doing it? If it's someone close to your age, it's better than an authority figure? I don't think you have clue what child abuse is. How very lucky for you.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Aww... that's adorable.

Nothing cogent to say about it, huh ?

 

[Kaosium]

I remember clearly, not sure that you do. It continued over a period of years, not a one time thing. Being children doesn't make it ok, they were both way beyond the "playing doctor" stuff that young children do.

The attempts to minimize this witness statement, implying a one time assault, that they were children, that she never told, so it never happened, are beyond disgusting.

That's not what I meant, but never mind. I was trying to point out how easily people are manipulated into 'outrage' by equivocating into emotive words something that is a normal part of human development. If the racism charge was so absurd, I don't have much confidence in any definition used for 'forced.' That word too can be equivocated.

However, I've had it with this issue. You guys go on calling it 'rape' and 'battery' and whatnot, there's nothing noble in what you're doing. I do understand how it must look that way to you and how 'disgusting' it may seem to challenge it, but that's OK too. What you are thinking about is not what I'm talking about.

Peace out.

 

[KatieG]

That's not what I meant, but never mind. I was trying to point out how easily people are manipulated into 'outrage' by equivocating into emotive words something that is a normal part of human development. If the racism charge was so absurd, I don't have much confidence in any definition used for 'forced.' That word too can be equivocated.

However, I've had it with this issue. You guys go on calling it 'rape' and 'battery' and whatnot, there's nothing noble in what you're doing. I do understand how it must look that way to you and how 'disgusting' it may seem to challenge it, but that's OK too. What you are thinking about is not what I'm talking about.

Peace out.

If so many of us are having problems understanding what you're talking about, perhaps you should figure out another way to say it so we can understand. Making no sense to me at all, sorry.

 

[Noztradamus]

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Not say: Her family doesn't support her, so I don't believe her. Or: They haven't charged him yet, so I don't believe her. Or: It's been 10 years so I don't believe her. Or any number of inane reasons for making it seem OK that you flat out accuse her of making it up.

Her father just sells insurance while George's father is a Vietnam veteran and a magistrate, so I don't believe her. (as credible a situational reason for disbelief as any other, maybe more so)

 

[triforcharity]

Wouldn't that actually require charges?

Nope. It's still evidence. Perhaps a dictionary would help?

At any rate if we start prosecuting people for sexual experimentation that amounts to touching

Which is YOUR own words, with no facts to back up whatsoever. We have the words from the victim, who was there.

And even just "touching" another in a sexual manner AGAINST their will, is SB.

Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?

when they were kids because one party years later become convinced they were 'raped' or 'molested' we will have the better part of a generation in jail. It's called hormones.

Or, maybe it's because they were in such fear of getting in trouble, or the shame that victims feel, or the embarassment.

You're really dumb when it comes to what a victim feels after they've been abused.

My suggestion, and please take this to heart, is to stop posting about this subject until you become educated on the subject.

Did you miss that I am a victim of sexual abuse as a child, and didn't tell anyone for 25 years? Did you miss that? I speak from personal experience. Perhaps you'd swallow your pride for 3 seconds, and admit you know exactly **** all about sexual battery victims.

It's really not that difficult.

 

[triforcharity]

If so many of us are having problems understanding what you're talking about, perhaps you should figure out another way to say it so we can understand. Making no sense to me at all, sorry.

I agree. You, Dancing Davind, and myself, possibly others, saw it as downplaying it. "It's just harmless touching between kids".

You know who else claims that?

 

[Kaosium]

I agree. You, Dancing Davind, and myself, possibly others, saw it as downplaying it. "It's just harmless touching between kids".

Read this link, the whole thing. That is what I was taught in school, it's not uncommon at all. Note that I didn't recall hearing anything about force, but I'll take your word it was said. I find it far more likely that was just as exaggerated as the 'racism' charge. If it wasn't, then I withdraw what I said, but due to various reasons, including the family, the mildness of what was described and the fact it was never acted upon until much later, I think what was described was in fact normal. The fact it's not been charged (yet) and we're talking about Angela Corey is another reason to suspect there's nothing to this and should be put to rest.

You know who else claims that?

What you're implying and your experience is nothing like what I was getting at. At any rate, this is why I brought it up, I think going from this to charges of rape and battery is an insult to actual victims of sexual predators like yourself and others. However it's how politics works these days so I understand why you and others went there.

Now I am out of here, hopefully you understand me better now.

 

[This is The End]

Quotes, evidence ? Looks like another strawman to me.

Please, it should be really easy to quote someone saying we should ignore the claims, because he has not been convicted.

I think everyone can read the past two pages and see whether or not I'm telling the truth.

I hilited the part you pulled out of your nether regions.

Are you denying that the family doesn't want to discuss it out of respect for the victims wishes?

Just a side note, aren't you the one that wanted the whole discussion about whether kids can be molesters split off to another thread? Forgive me if that wasn't you....

ETA: OK, well it's not exactly as I remember, you included an out into the suggestion:

I don't want to be accused of being a hypocrite, as I have discussed issues that are more peripheral than central to the case....

But perhaps the general topic of molestation and at what ages children have sexual urges, etc. would be better served to be in its own thread ?

Just a thought.

 

[This is The End]

Nothing cogent to say about it, huh ?

You think she has a snowballs chance of getting out from under perjury?

Which is clearly what JK is implying.

I don't see why there is anything more to be said about it than that.

 

[This is The End]

You guys go on calling it 'rape' and 'battery' and whatnot, there's nothing noble in what you're doing.

So we aren't supposed to call the rape and sexual molestation by their names? That doesn't even make sense. You're the one trying to imply that both parties gave consent by calling it normal kissing....

 

[This is The End]

I agree. You, Dancing Davind, and myself, possibly others, saw it as downplaying it. "It's just harmless touching between kids".

You know who else claims that?

The perpetrators.

 

[This is The End]

Read this link, the whole thing. That is what I was taught in school, it's not uncommon at all.

You think you're going to trick anyone into forgeting about how both parties didn't give consent?? I wouldn't doubt you do this in rape threads too.

Note that I didn't recall hearing anything about force, but I'll take your word it was said.

Then you must have read or seen zero news stories about it or listened to the tape.

I find it far more likely that was just as exaggerated as the 'racism' charge.

That's weird because no one has said there was anything exaggerated about her racism charges.

ETA: The only person saying the FBI said there was nothing to it was Z. The FBI contradicts that.

the mildness of what was described

Once again proving you never read her accusations. There is nothing mild about being in fear and being raped and molested for your entire childhood.

and the fact it was never acted upon until much later,

You've been repeatedly told that it is quite normal for molestation victims to not come out until well until adulthood.

I think what was described was in fact normal.

Yes we know. You have stated many times that you think molestation is normal. You repeatedly equate it with both parties giving consent for some insane reason.

The fact it's not been charged (yet)

Even if it is never prosecuted, that has nothing to do with whether it actually happened or not. It either happened or it didn't. Charges aren't going to magically make it have happened the moment they are potentially filed.

and we're talking about Angela Corey is another reason to suspect there's nothing to this and should be put to rest.

Was Corey even involved with this case during that interview? Didn't she tell the investigator this within 2 days after the shooting? Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.

How can you possibly pack so much wrong info in your posts. I have a feeling you know very well what you are saying is wrong and that you are practicing subterfuge.