Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Natural Born Skeptic]

I didnt think he/ she was talking about the statute. Keep in mind that Unabogie's summary was in response to NBS stating that a case like this is not an ideal case for a prosecutor; ten years old, no physical evidence, and no corroboration (as far as we know). Unabogie responded by basically saying that Zimmerman is a tactical rapist ...allegedly. NBS just basically restated his/her position that while the accusations may be true, the case still sucks. That's how that entire conversation read to me.

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Edited, breach of rule 12.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Locknar

 

[Noztradamus]

Yeah except that doesn't work the other way around.

Why would Z's parents not say so if she is lying about them banning Z from family events?

Obviously if asked they probably will say she was lying. So both sets of parents would have bias.

What would be interesting to know is if the extended-family can back up the claim that Z didn't show up at any family events after a certain point in time.

I'm sure it's been noted how reluctant the Robert Zimmermans have been when given the opportunity to say what George did in the trayvon Martin incident.
That they haven't commented on this accusation is probably an oversight

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

I'm sure it's been noted how reluctant the Robert Zimmermans have been when given the opportunity to say what George did in the trayvon Martin incident.
That they haven't commented on this accusation is probably an oversight

Or possibly Omara has told the family to stop talking to the press, and that only he decides when and where the press will be talked to. Your point no more suggests the story is true than others points that none of her family members have corroborated it suggests that it is false.

 

[johnny karate]

Or possibly Omara has told the family to stop talking to the press, and that only he decides when and where the press will be talked to. Your point no more suggests the story is true than others points that none of her family members have corroborated it suggests that it is false.

It seems a bit silly to suggest that O'Mara has that kind of control over his client's family when he doesn't appear to have much control over his client.

 

[Unabogie]

Or possibly Omara has told the family to stop talking to the press, and that only he decides when and where the press will be talked to. Your point no more suggests the story is true than others points that none of her family members have corroborated it suggests that it is false.

And therefore, since it's a possibility, we must accept it as truth and hand wave away any of those nasty "George is a child rapist" thoughts from our beautiful minds.

So to recap all the things that happened to poor George in the last eight ten plus years:

1. He was accused of being a serial molester and rapist by his cousin.
2. His girlfriend got a restraining order against him for being violent.
3. He assaulted a DEA agent.
4. He conspired with his wife to hide $135,000 and a passport and got his wife charged with perjury.
5. And of course, the reason we're all here, he shot and killed an unarmed teenager who was walking home from the store, and claimed "self-defense" and that it was all god's plan.

Clearly, the only "naturally skeptical" view of any of this is to take him at his word and cast suspicion on the police and prosecutors.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

It seems a bit silly to suggest that O'Mara has that kind of control over his client's family when he doesn't appear to have much control over his client.

Why is it silly possibility? It would not be remotely unusual for an attorney to tell a family not to speak to the press. And why would the degree of supposed control he has over his client have any relation to whether the family listens to him? Is there some sort of law formula I'm not aware of that says "degree of control over client = degree of control over family"?

 

[Unabogie]

So is George violating his bond again?

His parents have set up their own website soliciting funds.

http://robertandgladys.com/contribute/

So since he's precluded form setting up or maintaining a bank account since the judge determined he
was hiding money and a passport from him, does it behoove us to ask where this money is going to? Straight to the parents' Peter Pan account and then disbursed as cash to George?

We took a couple changes of clothes for each of us, medicines, and a few personal belongings and fled. However, when the media learned our new location, we were no longer safe there. At that point, we went from one location to another. It has been an extremely difficult existence. It’s been a challenge getting hotel rooms when we can not provide our correct names, use credit cards, or produce any valid identification. Today, that is very much what our existence is.

Does anyone believe that George's parents are living life on the run over this case? Seriously? That's paranoid insanity, if they aren't just making it all up.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

This thread is fascinating material if for no other reason than observing how some peoples brains work. I say this:

Or possibly Omara has told the family to stop talking to the press, and that only he decides when and where the press will be talked to. Your point no more suggests the story is true than others points that none of her family members have corroborated it suggests that it is false.

And this is what Unabogie come up with in response?!

And therefore, since it's a possibility, we must accept it as truth and hand wave away any of those nasty "George is a child rapist" thoughts from our beautiful minds.

How does one even respond to this type of insanity? What the hell are you talking about? Do you actually think you just responded in some way to any point I made? Do you actually think I in any way suggested any of the bizarre **** you read into that?

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[Unabogie]

This thread is fascinating material if for no other reason than observing how some peoples brains work. I say this:

And this is what uniboogie come up with in response?!

How does one even respond to this type of insanity? What the hell are you talking about? Do you actually think you just responded in some way to any point I made? Do you actually think I in any way suggested any of the bizarre **** you read into that?

I can't respond to you if you can't even spell my handle correctly. That makes me think you don't read my posts any more carefully than you do my handle.

 

[Unabogie]

More from the Robert and Gladys:

In addition, our daughter had to leave a government job she truly loved.

Ok, what? Can anyone here name their daughter without looking them up? Their daughter has nothing to do with the case. Why would she have had to leave her job? Is the whole family as dishonest as George and Shellie?

Considering that Scott helped hide the Peter Pan funds, and no one from George's family alerted the court about his vast sum of found money, I'd say the answer is yes.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

More from the Robert and Gladys:

Ok, what? Can anyone here name their daughter without looking them up? Their daughter has nothing to do with the case. Why would she have had to leave her job? Is the whole family as dishonest as George and Shellie?

You truly are psychic. You know when people are lying, and you know she couldn't possibly have had to leave her job. And I guess you've never ever heard of people being judged because of what someone they are related to did. You know, like you're doing right now, the ultimate irony. While judging her and calling her a liar like the rest of her family without knowing her nor having the slightest clue what the facts are.

But hey, she's a Zimmerman, so you might as well extend your hatred to her. "She's a liar, like all of them!"

 

[Moss]

Probably a redundant post but the burglary allegations wouldn't be indicative about whether tm would react violently if they were true. A burglar isn't necessarily a mugger, even if caught doing something criminal. Of which there is no indication.

 

[Unabogie]

You truly are psychic. You know when people are lying, and you know she couldn't possibly have had to leave her job. And I guess you've never ever heard of people being judged because of what someone they are related to did. You know, like you're doing right now, the ultimate irony. While judging her and calling her a liar like the rest of her family without knowing her nor having the slightest clue what the facts are.

But hey, she's a Zimmerman, so you might as well extend your hatred to her. She's a liar!

You believe that their whole family had to leave their jobs and that the parents can't even use a credit card or their real name to rent a motel room? You think media hordes are chasing his parents around the country?

You believe that, Natural Born Skeptic?

 

[johnny karate]

Why is it silly possibility? It would not be remotely unusual for an attorney to tell a family not to speak to the press. And why would the degree of supposed control he has over his client have any relation to whether the family listens to him? Is there some sort of law formula I'm not aware of that says "degree of control over client = degree of control over family"?

Do I need some sort of law formula to point out that a guy who can't keep his client from lying to him and defrauding the court might not be persuasive enough to convince Uncle Mike to not talk to the press?

O'Mara hasn't exhibited a whole lot of control over this case. It stands to reason that the further away he gets from the central aspects of it, the more diminished his already questionable influence would get.

 

[Moss]

Do I need some sort of law formula to point out that a guy who can't keep his client from lying to him and defrauding the court might not be persuasive enough to convince Uncle Mike to not talk to the press?

O'Mara hasn't exhibited a whole lot of control over this case. It stands to reason that the further away he gets from the central aspects of it, the more diminished his already questionable influence would get.

That assumes the family would be as or more unwilling to consider his advice than his client. I think that is unknowable for us at this time.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

You believe that their whole family had to leave their jobs and that the parents can't even use a credit card or their real name to rent a motel room? You think media hordes are chasing his parents around the country?

Can you try to make one, just ONE post without ABSURD strawmans?

Let's try to stick with the one statement that was just posted about. Could his sister have had to leave her job? Well, who the hell knows? There is a tremendous amount of hatred out there towards GZ and his family. It would not be surprising in the least that his family members would be experiencing some of that hatred also directed at them, in fact I'd say it's highly likely that they are. So maybe his sister experienced some of that at work and felt like she couldn't handle it. Or maybe not. We have no idea. So why would anyone want to immediately call her a liar?

And YES, I extend the same argument to the woman who is accusing him of molesting her. At no time have I accused her of being a liar and I totally disapprove of anyone doing so. Just thought I'd throw that put there before another strawman gets thrown out there.

 

[johnny karate]

That assumes the family would be as or more unwilling to consider his advice than his client. I think that is unknowable for us at this time.

Granted, but considering at least three of his family members aided Zimmerman in his deception of the court, and another is accusing him of sexual assault, I think it might be a little bit knowable.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

So is George violating his bond again?

His parents have set up their own website soliciting funds.

http://robertandgladys.com/contribute/

So since he's precluded form setting up or maintaining a bank account since the judge determined he
was hiding money and a passport from him, does it behoove us to ask where this money is going to? Straight to the parents' Peter Pan account and then disbursed as cash to George?


Does anyone believe that George's parents are living life on the run over this case? Seriously? That's paranoid insanity, if they aren't just making it all up.

What makes you think someone giving GZ money is a violation of his bond ?

 

[Dan O.]

Let's try to stick with the one statement that was just posted about. Could his sister have had to leave her job? Well, who the hell knows? There is a tremendous amount of hatred out there towards GZ and his family. It would not be surprising in the least that his family members would be experiencing some of that hatred also directed at them, in fact I'd say it's highly likely that they are. So maybe his sister experienced some of that at work and felt like she couldn't handle it. Or maybe not. We have no idea. So why would anyone want to immediately call her a liar?

Is there any more to the "threats against the zimmerman family" than anonymous press releases purportedly from the family?

 

[Unabogie]

What makes you think someone giving GZ money is a violation of his bond ?

He is not supposed to be maintaining a bank account, since the judge believes he's a flight risk. So setting up a dummy account under his father's name would be a clear violation, wouldn't it?