Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[TheL8Elvis]

He wasn't talking about the molestation. He's talking about how O'Mara allowed the info into the public sphere through incompetence.

When O’Mara said GZ was still 17 at the time W9 claimed he was 18 and she 16, he was saying that even if GZ did what she claimed he had done to her, he did not commit a crime.

The quote above seems to be the main thrust of the article. MOM is incompetent based on how someone who is admittedly unfamiliar with FL law interprets his statement.

He then goes on to say:

Because she was not seeking to have him charged and I do not believe the prosecution is even considering charging him for what he did to her, I am not going to review Florida’s sex crime statutes to determine whether GZ has any potential exposure to criminal liability for rape, statutory rape and indecent liberties.

Such an inquiry and a discussion about it would be irrelevant and distracting. Readers who want to know can always look up the answer by reviewing the Florida Statutes.

Which is what I thought I also said.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

What if it turns out that the only reason Z isn't being charged is because of the statute of limitations?


Some people [not TheL8Elvis] need to forget about this case for 10 seconds and think about what it would be like to be in fear that someone has been and will continue to rape you for your entire childhood.

These are very serious allegations.

It was unclear to me if the possible charges fell under a SOL or not.

At the moment, though, they are just as you say - allegations. Unless/Until they are more than that, and there are more facts to discuss, it's not worth going there.

 

[Unabogie]

It was unclear to me if the possible charges fell under a SOL or not.

At the moment, though, they are just as you say - allegations. Unless/Until they are more than that, and there are more facts to discuss, it's not worth going there.

True. The evidence that George is a child rapist is minuscule compared to the mountain of evidence that Trayvon was a burglar before the alleged child rapist killed him.

 

[This is The End]

It was unclear to me if the possible charges fell under a SOL or not.

At the moment, though, they are just as you say - allegations. Unless/Until they are more than that, and there are more facts to discuss, it's not worth going there.

That is true, but it seems you have a self fulfilling out. If there are no charges under SOL, then it won't ever be "more than that".

Remember that both sets of parents were told. After which, Z was not allowed at anymore extended family functions. That, at least, could be verified by asking extended family if Z stopped appearing at functions after a certain date. But, all that would really tell us is that something happened.

 

[This is The End]

It was unclear to me if the possible charges fell under a SOL or not.

At the moment, though, they are just as you say - allegations. Unless/Until they are more than that, and there are more facts to discuss, it's not worth going there.

Well, I don't recall it being TheL8Elvis's fault that several people in this thread are convinced that M had loot and a burglary tool without any solid evidence of it.

Maybe TheL8Elvis could have masterminded that behind the scenes.

In the rape allegations we have first hand reports. The victims' statements directly, with positive ID of the perp. She also has a valid reason for coming out when she did. She said she was finally not afraid of Z anymore since he was arrested. Remember, this was within 2 days of Z's arrest if I am not mistaken. Long before this story became national news.

 

[WildCat]

In the rape allegations we have first hand reports. The victims' statements directly, with positive ID of the perp. She also has a valid reason for coming out when she did. She said she was finally not afraid of Z anymore since he was arrested. Remember, this was within 2 days of Z's arrest if I am not mistaken. Long before this story became national news.

She also claimed that the Zimmermans were racists, and thus far she is the only witness who says that despite an extensive FBI investigation.

If no one is investigating the sex assault allegations it's likely because they do not find her to be a credible witness.

 

[This is The End]

She also claimed that the Zimmermans were racists, and thus far she is the only witness who says that despite an extensive FBI investigation.

Wasn't there a racist filled rant about Mexicans posted by Z to the internet?

If no one is investigating the sex assault allegations it's likely because they do not find her to be a credible witness.

I very seriously doubt that. It's almost guaranteed to be A: The Statute of Limitations or, less likely, B: They are preparing their case and have yet to press charges. C: That they are not investigating it because they do not find her credible is almost an impossibility.

Frankly, in light of your posts in this thread I believe that you very much wish her not to be credible. Anyone reading your arguments can make a good guess as to why you think it would "likely" be the very unlikely C, as opposed to A or even B.

 

[WildCat]

Wasn't there a racist filled rant about Mexicans posted by Z to the internet?

Mexican is a race?

I very seriously doubt that. It's almost guaranteed to be A: The Statute of Limitations or, less likely, B: They are preparing their case and have yet to press charges. C: That they are not investigating it because they do not find her credible is almost an impossibility.

Frankly, in light of your posts in this thread I believe that you very much wish her not to be credible. Anyone reading your arguments can make a good guess as to why you think it would "likely" be the very unlikely C, as opposed to A or even B.

Yeah, sounds like a real strong case they're making there. All those relatives she says she told years ago are coming out of the woodwork to support her.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

I'm sure they are hard at work. After all, prosecutors are always eager to pursue cases that are 10 years old plus, that involve an allegation from one minor against and another, of the type that the female was forced to brush up against a hard penis until she ran out of the house. I mean, that's the type of cases prosecutors live for.

I am in no way shape or form making light of sexual abuse, I guess I need to mention that before one of the people I've got on ignore start making up more insane suggestions.

 

[This is The End]

Mexican is a race?

OK fine, a hate filled rant about Mexicans is not racist because Mexicans are not a specific race.

Call it whatever you want. He hates Mexicans but he's not racist.

 

[This is The End]

I'm sure they are hard at work. After all, prosecutors are always eager to pursue cases that are 10 years old plus, that involve an allegation from one minor against and another, of the type that the female was forced to brush up against a hard penis until she ran out of the house. I mean, that's the type of cases prosecutors live for.

I am in no way shape or form making light of sexual abuse, I guess I need to mention that before one of the people I've got on ignore start making up more insane suggestions.

Highlighted the part that is not true. The first paragraph clearly makes light of sexual abuse.

She claims to have been raped and sexually molested over the course of 10 years.

You equate that with the above, which I won't even repeat.

That is clearly making light of sexual abuse.

 

[This is The End]

I very seriously doubt that. It's almost guaranteed to be A: The Statute of Limitations or, less likely, B: They are preparing their case and have yet to press charges. C: That they are not investigating it because they do not find her credible is almost an impossibility.

Frankly, in light of your posts in this thread I believe that you very much wish her not to be credible. Anyone reading your arguments can make a good guess as to why you think it would "likely" be the very unlikely C, as opposed to A or even B.

Yeah, sounds like a real strong case they're making there. All those relatives she says she told years ago are coming out of the woodwork to support her.

It's like you didn't even read what you quoted.

 

[Unabogie]

I'm sure they are hard at work. After all, prosecutors are always eager to pursue cases that are 10 years old plus, that involve an allegation from one minor against and another, of the type that the female was forced to brush up against a hard penis until she ran out of the house. I mean, that's the type of cases prosecutors live for.

I am in no way shape or form making light of sexual abuse, I guess I need to mention that before one of the people I've got on ignore start making up more insane suggestions.

It continued for a decade, until George was all growed up. He was no longer a minor when he committed acts of rape. Sure, he started his career as a rapist early, but he kept at it until he got it right.


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Allegedly.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

It continued for a decade, until George was all growed up. He was no longer a minor when he committed acts of rape. Sure, he started his career as a rapist early, but he kept at it until he got it right.

Maybe it did. Doesn't change the cold hard facts that it's almost unprecedented for prosecutors to prosecute this type of case. In fact, I'd be curious if there are any precedents for prosecuting someone under similar circumstances. I can't recall reading about anything similar in my lifetime.

(someone insert absurd Jerry Sandusky comparison here)

 

[This is The End]

Maybe it did. Doesn't change the cold hard facts that it's almost unprecedented for prosecutors to prosecute this type of case. In fact, I'd be curious if there are any precedents for prosecuting someone under similar circumstances. I can't recall reading about anything similar in my lifetime.

(someone insert absurd Jerry Sandusky comparison here)

Teen-aged rapists and sexual molesters don't exist because Natural Born Skeptic has never heard of or read about them.

 

[Dcdrac]

It would appear to be quite common

http://www.teenhelp.com/teen-abuse/teen-date-rape.html

 

[This is The End]

It would appear to be quite common

http://www.teenhelp.com/teen-abuse/teen-date-rape.html

That's odd. According to Natural Born Skeptic the "cold hard facts" say that you might as well terrorize, rape, and molest your cousin during her entire childhood. As long as you are only a couple years older than her, no prosecutor would every charge you. Even if you don't stop until after you are an adult. Those are the "cold hard facts".

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

It would appear to be quite common

http://www.teenhelp.com/teen-abuse/teen-date-rape.html

Is that post directed at me? If so, where did I say anything about whether teen rape is common?

 

[sgtbaker]

That's odd. According to Natural Born Skeptic the "cold hard facts" say that you might as well terrorize, rape, and molest your cousin during her entire childhood. As long as you are only a couple years older than her, no prosecutor would every charge you. Even if you don't stop until after you are an adult. Those are the "cold hard facts".

Can you show me the post where NBS even remotely alluded to this? The cold hard facts are, there is no logical reason for us to believe this is untrue or true. The prosecution may have more that has yet to be released but what we have available to us is an accusation with no evidence or corroboration. This doesn't mean I doubt her and I saw NBS clearly acknowledge the possibility that it did happen. If all the investigators have is what has been released; a woman comes forth and says that her cousin sexually assaulted her over a period of years, the last incident being almost ten years ago (time being relavent only to provability, NOT credibility), no, that is not exactly a case that prosecutors would line up for. That says absolutely nothing about the alleged victim and everything about legalities.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

It continued for a decade, until George was all growed up. He was no longer a minor when he committed acts of rape. Sure, he started his career as a rapist early, but he kept at it until he got it right.


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Allegedly.

Has any one stepped forward to help prove these allegations ? The sister, the parents ?

Have we been told about any evidence that exists that corroborates these allegations ?

Do we have any indication that law enforcement is investigating these allegations ?

Hasn't almost everyone agreed these allegations are irrelevant to the current crime ?

Yet you still insist on bringing this up. Why is that ?