Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

[TjW]

Birthers "But a website or link isn't really a birth certificate." State of Hawaii "We're working on that."

Constitution of the United States of America
Article. IV.
Section. 1.
"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."

Birthers: "We don't like that Hawaii says this is what we provide as a birth record."
Constitution: "Too *********** bad."

 

[haibut]

You have your birth certificate?

I have mine. My wife doesn't (she has a certified copy). But even if I did, how could I prove THAT wasn't forged? People can fake paper documents too. And even THEN the birthers could claim someone was hypnotised or aliens or something.

It's just an infinite regress, isn't it? You cannot convince a birther.

 

[Robrob]

Nope, we don't want Obamas latest colonoscopy like Reagan's in the middle of a Texas Oklahoma Bowl game. We just want to see a copy of something we are regularly asked to produce.

How many times have you been asked for your birth certificate?

How many Presidential candidates have been asked for theirs?

 

[A'isha]

Birthers are in the same bizarre position as a person who insists that a particular $20 bill is a cheap counterfeit churned out in a basement somewhere, even though the head of the US Mint and the US Treasury Secretary both confirm that it's a genuine twenty dollar bill.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

How many times have you been asked for your birth certificate?

Unless I am renewing an ID or applying for a passport it is rather irrelevant to most authorities, and honestly the authority behind it is the state in which I was born saying to is authentic and certified.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

A sheriff of the US agrees. I'm sure his opinion outweighs yours. Especially since his job is to enforce the law.

The opinion of a sheriff from a different state does not outweigh the certification of Hawaii's Department of Health. Sorry, but no amount of gymnastics will put you on top. That's just not your role in this little game.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Birthers "But a website or link isn't really a birth certificate." State of Hawaii "We're working on that."

The image on the website is a copy of the birth certificate, and the State of Hawaii has certified it as accurate. For some reason, idiots like to pretend there's some kind of difference between a copy that's been certified and a certified copy...

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

A sheriff of the US agrees. I'm sure his opinion outweighs yours.

There's a clause in your constitution that says that the State of Hawaii's opinion outweighs his.

Dave

 

[jimfish]

Birthers "But a website or link isn't really a birth certificate."

Argumentum ad Magritte.

"Ceci n'est pas une certificat de naissance."

 

[dc1971]

A sheriff of the US agrees. I'm sure his opinion outweighs yours. Especially since his job is to enforce the law.

You mean Sheriff Joe Arpaio? The senile, old and decrepit Barney Fife-type character from Arizona who should have retired a long time ago but hasn't retired because he's too busy yelling "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!" all day?

That Sheriff?

If I could coin such a word as "Coptard" - he would be at the top of the list!

 

[dc1971]

Birthers are in the same bizarre position as a person who insists that a particular $20 bill is a cheap counterfeit churned out in a basement somewhere, even though the head of the US Mint and the US Treasury Secretary both confirm that it's a genuine twenty dollar bill.

Yes... well... so long as it's a 20 bill that can be folded to show a figment of the World Trade Center towers burning, then it must be a 20 bill!

 

[Travis]

But how can we tell the difference between the mexcans and the terrorists?

Well Step 1 is to not be a racist xenophobe with infinite intelligence regression.

Step 2 is to not be a lunatic.

Step 3 would be old fashioned detective work.

 

[Sabrina]

A sheriff of the US agrees. I'm sure his opinion outweighs yours. Especially since his job is to enforce the law.

He's not a "sheriff of the US"; he's a sheriff in one state, namely Arizona, and he's not even the sheriff of the whole state; just one relatively small area of it. That's your first fail. Your second is in believing that simply because he's a sheriff, his "opinion" (note: You should probably look up the meaning of that word, by the way) doesn't outweigh anyone else's. Especially not that of the department whose JOB is to certify someone's birth and citizenship; i.e. the Hawai'i State Department of Health and Vital Statistics, or whatever they're called over there (I'm comparing to my own birth state of Ohio, which has a Department of Health and Vital Statistics IIRC). Your third fail is in assuming that Shurrf Joe has actually upheld the law at all times, an opinion which is called into question by the number of lawsuits currently being brought against him. His integrity, or lack thereof, is currently held under extreme suspicion as a result.

<Lionel Richie>You're once, twice, three times a failure!</Lionel Richie>

 

[twinstead]

Am I reading this thread properly? Is somebody actually using Sheriff Joe Arpaio's opinion as proof that Obama's birth certificate is faked?

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Nope, you have not read wrong. Someone not only has declared Shurrf Joe has being an authority, but has ignored the past several years that effectively debunked the Cold Case Posse findings (a lot of which is on this thread) in order to do it. It is a rather sad case of intellectual evasion taking place here, but not anything I have not seen before.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Nope, you have not read wrong. Someone not only has declared Shurrf Joe has being an authority, but has ignored the past several years that effectively debunked the Cold Case Posse findings (a lot of which is on this thread) in order to do it.

More than that, he seems to hold Arpaio as a greater authority on Hawaiian medical records than the Director of the Hawaiian Department of Health.

Dave

 

[sts60]

A sheriff of the US agrees. I'm sure his opinion outweighs yours. Especially since his job is to enforce the law.

HAHAHAHA! That's hilariously inept. Some blowhard county sheriff-from-another-state's publicity stunt means something, but the official word of the state agency charged by law with certifying births does not. Not surprisingly, given Mr. "I like Obama, but..."'s track record of applied cluelessness.

Eh, the rest isn't even worth composing an original reply; I'll just recyle the relevant parts of post 5407:

boyntonstuchuck4842, to the ignore list you go....

You're not fooling anybody. Your bias is clear; although I make no particular representation as to which particular biases are yours, they clearly keep you from living up to your word, or acknowledging reality. You're just the kind of willing patsy the hucksters like Arpaio and Trump and the radio blowhards love; I hope you enjoy getting used that way.

...you're irrelevant and you will never succeed in your idiotic obsession with proving that President Obama isn't an American - he is, just as much as you or me (assuming you are American; your actions damage the nation, or would if they represented more than a lunatic fringe).

Your nutty playmates' fantasy will never be fulfilled; he will be President until he concludes his term of office in the ordinary fashion, in 2017 if reelected, next year if not. Either way, the sane people will point and laugh at you and your friends for awhile, then forget all about you. I'm getting a head start on the latter.

*plonk*

 

[JayUtah]

There's a clause in your constitution that says that the State of Hawaii's opinion outweighs his.

Actually to be scrupulously accurate, the clause in our constitution says the sheriff's opinion is irrelevant.

 

[JayUtah]

A sheriff of the US agrees.

There is no such thing. You may be speaking of a certain county sheriff who has no jurisdiction and no constitutional or statutory mandate to investigate this matter -- a matter which has been settled conclusively by the relevant Arizona state authority to which he is subordinate.

I'm sure his opinion outweighs yours.

Nope. Under Full Faith and Credit his opinion isn't even relevant. Constitution fail.

Especially since his job is to enforce the law.

A job he does very poorly, if at all, according to most reports, and for whose dereliction he's presently standing trial. He appears to spend most of his time trying to be a media darling.

His role in an investigation would be to gather evidence. The decision whether that evidence merits any action always lies with someone else. Hence we've found another way in which his opinion is irrelevant. The evidence he has gathered to date amounts to inept conjecture and has been adequately answered here and elsewhere. It doesn't rise to the attention of those whose opinions would matter, even if this weren't already trumped by the U.S. Constitution. And his attempts to handwave up some more evidence are running him further and further afoul of state law and public patience.

 

[Travis]

Chuck4842 do you suspect every black person of being born outside the USA? If not then what makes Obama special in that he might not have been?