Reply to post #673
Originally Posted by paloalto
You were mislead by the 9/11 Commission which was set up to prove that no one was to be blamed for allowing the attacks on 9/11.
Posted by Robrob
Which you know, how? Especially since it's universally acknowledged 9/11 was a massive intelligence failure?
The 9/11 Commission said this themselves - HELLO! Go read the 9/11 Commission report.
Originally Posted by paloalto
Unfortunately your statement that "No one at the CIA or anywhere else in the gov't consciously made a decision to let AQ murder thousands of Americans." is not supported any longer by the facts that come directly out of this documentation.
Originally Posted by Robrob
Really, you can tell what people "consciously decided?"
All of the facts point to this conclusion. See my prior posts for the facts that back up this conclusion.
Originally Posted by paloalto
On April 14, 2004 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer asked CIA Director George Tenet under oath if he knew a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place in August 2001, and knew it would kill thousands of Americans, what did he tell the President about this attack in August. Tenet stated under oath that he did not tell the President anything about this attack. Roemer, who was flummoxed by this response than asked Tenet why he had not told the President about this huge al Qaeda attack in August 2001.
Originally Posted by Robrob
Since Tenent didn't know there was a huge terrorist attack scheduled to take place in August to kill thousands, your point would be?
Tenet said this himself at the April 14, 2001 9/11 Commission public hearings. Tenet said that he knew in August 2001, that a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place inside of the US.
Originally Posted by paloalto
You are the director of the CIA. You know a huge al Qaeda attack is just about to take place inside of the US, yet you do not tell the President about this attack.
Originally Posted by Robrob
1) No one "knew" a huge al Qaeda attack is just about to take place inside of the US. Do you think by saying it enough it will become true?
Again CIA Director George Tenet stated a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place in the US at that the 9/11 Commission public Hearings.
2) Do you recall the August 6, 2001 PDB memo, "Bin Laden determined to strike in US?"
What does this have to do with anything?
Originally Posted by paloalto
When Tenet finished his testimony Bill Harlow, CIA spokesman, told the main stream media that CIA Director George Tenet had lied under oath, that George Tenet had visited the President at Crawford Texas on August 17, 2001, and had seen the President in late August back in Washington, and again 6 more times in September prior to the attacks on 9/11. But the White House web site had an article on it that described the visit by George Tenet on August 24, 2001.
Originally Posted by Robrob
Gee, so it wasn't like the meetings were kept secret or under the table was it? Almost as if Tenet made a mistake. Not like anyone has ever misspoke on the stand.
Tenet had 2 1/2 years to prepare for this testimony, a calendar of his events during those days and a staff to help him remember his meetings on those dates. No one could ever believe that Tenet just forgot after having 2 1/2 years to prepare for his testimony. That is just asinine!
Originally Posted by paloalto
But George Tenet had 2 1/2 years to prepare for his testimony in front of the 9/11 Commission so it is highly unlikely he did not know that he had been at the Crawford White House on August 24, 2001, and had a 6 hour meeting with the President of the United States.
Originally Posted by Robrob
More of your ability to read minds?
See my answer above!
Originally Posted by paloalto
By August 24, 2001, Tenet knew about the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui, knew he was thought to be a terrorist by the FBI trying to learn how to fly a B747 without even a private pilot’s license, knew that the FBI agents that had arrested Moussaoui were having an impossible job trying to get a search warrant for Moussaoui's duffel bag.
Originally Posted by Robrob
You do realize search warrants require probable cause? Please, Captain Hindsight, tell us what you think was the agents' probable cause to search the laptop?
The FBI Agents who had arrested Moussaoui had been told by his flight simulator instructors that they though Moussaoui was a terrorist trying to learn how to fly a B747 without even having a private pilot’s license in order to hijack a large commercial aircraft and carry out some terrorist act. Moussaoui refused to cooperate with FBI Agent Harry Samit, and had two knives with 4 inch blades in his possession, just the kind you could bring through airport scurrility legally. He was also connected by French intelligence to Khattab, who was closely connected to al Qaeda and bin Laden. There was an abundance of probable cause!
Originally Posted by paloalto
Tenet had also known about the fact that both al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were found by his own CIA bin laden unit to be inside of the US on August 22, 2001, and even knew they were here in order to take part in this huge al Qaeda attack that Tenet had been aware of since April 2001.
Originally Posted by Robrob
Hyperbole presented as fact.
No this is fact presented as fact. The CIA including Tenet, Black and Blee had been told on August 22, 23, 2001 that both al Qaeda terrorist Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the Us. They already knew that Mihdhar and by association Hazmi were going to be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda terrorist operation, from Tom Wilshire’s July 23, 2001 email. This information is in the DOJ IG report and DE 939 entered into the Moussaoui trial on March 11, 2006.
Originally Posted by paloalto
These were the FBI HQ agent and manager that had been central in the criminal conspiracy to hide any and all information...
Originally Posted by Robrob
You do know anyone can write out an affidavit and present it to a judge, right? If you have evidence and probable cause to support your bold claim of "criminal conspiracy" you should probably get off your posterior and do something.
??? Like what?
Originally Posted by paloalto
the CIA and FBI HQ to shut down all FBI criminal investigations of any and all al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US in late August 2001,
Originally Posted by Robrob
false.
No this is true. Maltbie and Frasca blocked FBI Agent Harry Samit from getting a FISA search warrant for Moussaoui duffle bag, which blocked almost all if not all forward progress on Samit's investigation. FBI HQ IOS Agent Dina Corsi and her boss FBI HQ SSA Rod Middleton shut down the investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI Cole bombing investigator Steve Bongardt. These were the only know n terrorists found inside of the US in mid-late August 2001 when the CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place inside of the US.
HELLO, HELLO, HELLO how much clearler can I make this!
It is obvious from you lack of any real knowledge of the events prior to the attacks on 9/11 that you know almost nothing about this event or why it was allowed to happen.
Originally Posted by paloalto
the CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack was just about to take place inside of the US and even knew by shutting these investigations down it would all but guarantee that this al Qaeda attack would not be prevented.
Originally Posted by Robrob
More mind reading?
No just simple conclusions that are now inescapable from looking at the facts surrounding this event.
The CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attacks was just about to take place inside of the US, George Tenets testimony to the 9/11 Commission on April 14, 2004 proves this. Tom Pickard, FBI Director testimony to the 9/11 Commission on April 13-14 2004 proves that the highest levels of the FBI were aware of this attack also.
Tenet’s testimony to the 9/11 Commission:
Tim Roemer first asked Tenet if he knew in August 2001 if a huge al Qaeda attack was about to take place inside of the US.
Tenet said Yes he did.
Then Roemer asked if Tenet knew this attack would kill many Americans.
Tenet said yes he did.
Then Roemer asked if Tenet brought up this attack at the September 4, 2001 Principles meeting held at the White House.
Tenet said for whatever reason it was not appropriate to bring this information of this huge al Qaeda attack up at this meeting.
Here is the rest of Tenets testimony word for word:
ROEMER: I AM CONFUSED. YOU SEE HIM ON AUGUST 6 WITH THE P.D.B..
TENET: NO, I DO NOT, SIR. I AM NOT THERE
ROEMER: YOU ARE NOT. WHEN DO YOU SEE HIM IN AUGUST?
TENET: I DON'T BELIEVE I DO.
ROEMER: YOU DON'T SEE THE PRESIDENT
ROEMER: YOU DON'T SEE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ONCE IN AUGUST?
TENET: HE IS IN TEXAS, AND I AM HERE OR ON LEAVE SOME OF THAT TIME, SO I AM NOT HERE
ROEMER: WHO IS BRIEFING?
TENET: BRIEFER HIMSELF. WE HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL BRIEFER
ROEMER: YOU NEVER GET ON THE PHONE OR ANY KIND OF CONFERENCE WITH HIM TO TALK ABOUT THIS LEVEL OF HIGH CHATTER AND HUGE WARNINGS DURING THE SPRING AND SUMMER TO...
TENET: TALKED TO HIM DIRECTLY THROUGHOUT THE SPRING AND EARLY BUT NOT IN AUGUST. IN THIS TIME PERIOD, I AM NOT TALKING TO HIM, NO
ROEMER: DOES HE EVER SAY TO DR. RICE OR SOMEBODY ELSE, I WANT TO TALK TO TENET. TENET IS A GUY THAT KNOWS THIS SITUATION, THAT'S BEEN BRIEFING ME ALL THROUGH THE...
TENET: I DON'T HAVE A RECOLLECTION OF BEING CALLED, MR. ROEMER, BUT I AM SURE IF I WANTED TO MAKE A PHONE CALL BECAUSE I HAD MY HAIR ON FIRE, I WOULD HAVE PICKED...
ROEMER: JUST NEVER MADE IT.
TENET: NO
See the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cIo33eVSKg
