Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[johnny karate]

In what bizarro world is a guy carrying a gun and walking a Rottweiler, who is described by his neighbors as "being out on patrol" at the time, not on patrol? Are K9 police units not checking for drugs if the dog does his business at some point?

That's a good point. Because according to the geniuses in this thread, if you are accompanied by a dog, you are officially and only "Walking the dog" and all other simultaneous activities are rendered nonexistent. Unless, of course, you are also chewing gum, at which point you are just "Chewing gum".

So to recap:

A person is only "On patrol" if they are patrolling and doing absolutely nothing else.

A person on patrol and walking the dog is only "Walking the dog" and no longer considered to be "On Patrol", because that would be impossible.

And a person on patrol, walking the dog, and chewing gum is only "Chewing Gum", because again, it is utterly impossible for a person to engage in two or more simultaneous activities.

 

[This is The End]

The ones about how GZ broke all the rules ... what rules ?

I already said I don't think anyone is claiming that it legally matters. It is just a JREF discussion forum level of evidence.

Just more evidence to try and get a handle on Z's frame of mind.

No one is even claiming that it matters legally that Z was on patrol or not.

I think some people were just stunned that other people are denying that Z was ever on NW patrol.

What does whether or not they were allowed have to do with you accepting evidence that Z went on NW patrols?

If they are allowed you will accept evidence that he went on NW patrols, but if they are not allowed you won't??

 

[TheL8Elvis]

It's actually comical. Here you have a guy walking a Rottweiler, and strapped with his weapon (and most likely his tactical flashlight). His NW partner says he's taking on the whole complex to patrol. The word patrol is used again and again.

The word patrol is used by FT, who is ( I trust we agree) a whackadoodle.

And what is comical, is GZ was on his way to Target the night that matters. Unless you have evidence proving otherwise.

As I have said, this whole NW thing is a red herring.

Just picture George with his dog and his gun.

And this is the guy who's just out for a stroll?

No, he's out walking the dog ?

 

[Unabogie]

The ones about how GZ broke all the rules ... what rules ?

Wait, so no, not every member of a community is a member of the local neighborhood watch. That's so silly I can't believe you said it. You're a member when you participate. Not when you live in the general vicinity of someone else who does. Besides, George was the captain of his NW, not just a member of the community. That's ridiculous.

I've addressed the dog issue, and that's even dumber than the issue above. He owned a Rottweiler

And he took it out, with his gun, and patrolled his neighborhood.

I'm not sure how you think this helps. To me it looks like a paranoid wanabe cop.

And I know people have linked to countless NW materials and it's just beyond question that NW says to observe and report, not to get involved or carry weapons.

Please don't make me hunt down redundant links. I've had a long week, and wasting my time on that will make me hate you.

 

[Rare Truth]

SPD tells us he was serving in that role that night.

Does that count?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I already said I don't think anyone is claiming that it legally matters. It is just a JREF discussion forum level of evidence.

Just more evidence to try and get a handle on Z's frame of mind.

It wouldn't legally matter even if you could point to rules, because NW does not trump ... well, anything.

But the point is ... there are no rules for the NW for the RATL.

You can't claim GZ should not have been on patrol .... because the community didn't care enough to actually set up any rules.

And it will probably cost them dearly when they get sued by TM family.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

SPD tells us he was serving in that role that night.

Does that count?


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No. Every member of the community is a neighborhood watch member, right ?

That's in the rules, right .... wait ... what rules ?

Was TM serving as a member of the NW ?

 

[Unabogie]

The word patrol is used by FT, who is ( I trust we agree) a whackadoodle.

And what is comical, is GZ was on his way to Target the night that matters. Unless you have evidence proving otherwise.

As I have said, this whole NW thing is a red herring.

No, he's out walking the dog ?

Oh? And what do you have to support this? Oh, right. The word of George and Shellie Zimmerman. Yeah, I'll assume he's lying, since they both, you know, conspired to defraud the court and his story is implausible.

You can believe him all you want.

 

[Rare Truth]

24/7 - Call George!

 

[Unabogie]

24/7 - Call George!

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Wait, so you're using eye-witnesses, and contemporary documents to show that George was the NW captain, and that he went out of patrols armed, and we're supposed to believe that over George and Shellie Zimmerman?

What are you, some sort of Trayvon Truther?

 

[Rare Truth]

No. Every member of the community is a neighborhood watch member, right ?

That's in the rules, right .... wait ... what rules ?

Was TM serving as a member of the NW ?

No. You sign up & go to meetings to become a member.

George'll help ya.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Wait, so no, not every member of a community is a member of the local neighborhood watch. That's so silly I can't believe you said it. You're a member when you participate. Not when you live in the general vicinity of someone else who does. Besides, George was the captain of his NW, not just a member of the community. That's ridiculous.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1221799.ece

On the bulletin board, there were two fliers. One was a notice from the homeowners' association: "All residents are part of the Neighborhood Watch program and are encouraged to get to know your neighbors and look out for one another! … There is also a neighborhood watch meeting with Officer Wendy on Thursday, March 29th, 7 p.m."

Silly me.

I've addressed the dog issue, and that's even dumber than the issue above. He owned a Rottweiler

And he took it out, with his gun, and patrolled his neighborhood.

I'm not sure how you think this helps. To me it looks like a paranoid wanabe cop.

And I know people have linked to countless NW materials and it's just beyond question that NW says to observe and report, not to get involved or carry weapons.

Please don't make me hunt down redundant links. I've had a long week, and wasting my time on that will make me hate you.

Save you effort. People have posted all kinds of links about the National Neighborhood Watch Association ... the one that RATL was not a member of.

There are no rules for the RATL. You can't tell me GZ was 'breaking the rules' when there are no rules.

 

[crimresearch]

There's no proof TM was reaching for Z's gun.

So what? The legal citations that make your comments irrelevant have been posted repeatedly.

 

[johnny karate]

The ones about how GZ broke all the rules ... what rules ?

Either Zimmerman was informed of the standardized regulations of a neighborhood watch program and chose to ignore them, or he simply didn't bother to properly educate himself before running outside to play cowboy.

Reckless disregard or willful ignorance, whichever suits you.

 

[Rare Truth]

Wait, so you're using eye-witnesses, and contemporary documents to show that George was the NW captain, and that he went out of patrols armed, and we're supposed to believe that over George and Shellie Zimmerman?

What are you, some sort of Trayvon Truther?

 

[This is The End]

TheL8Elvis, I'm still confused about what you meant here:

I'm not dodging, my answer is just contingent upon my understanding of the NW structure for RATL, etc.

OTT - you can feel free to answer my questions Unabogie has so far declined to answer.

What does whether or not they were allowed have to do with you accepting evidence that Z went on NW patrols?

If they are allowed you will accept evidence that he went on NW patrols, but if they are not allowed you won't??

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Aside from that confusion, am I correct in saying that you believe we do not have solid evidence for whether or not Z ever went on NW patrol in his neighborhood?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

No. You sign up & go to meetings to become a member.

George'll help ya.

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That's not what the HOA says.

 

[crimresearch]

It wouldn't legally matter even if you could point to rules, because NW does not trump ... well, anything.

But the point is ... there are no rules for the NW for the RATL.

You can't claim GZ should not have been on patrol .... because the community didn't care enough to actually set up any rules.

And it will probably cost them dearly when they get sued by TM family.

So that particular development had shiny new NW signs, and had been through the liason organizational meetings with SPD, so what is the significance that they were not 'members' of NW?

 

[Rare Truth]

The ones about how GZ broke all the rules ... what rules ?

These:

and these:

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Wait, so you're using eye-witnesses, and contemporary documents to show that George was the NW captain, and that he went out of patrols armed, and we're supposed to believe that over George and Shellie Zimmerman?

What are you, some sort of Trayvon Truther?

That's great snark and all, but it fails to address my request for you to support your claims.