Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[This is The End]

Yeah, otherwise the dog will crap on your floor.

Bolding what most people can see but WildCat doesn't:

“He stepped up and said, ‘I’ve got this guys. I’ll take care of the community,’” Taaffe said of Zimmerman choosing to oversee security at the complex. “At that point, nobody gave him any argument, because it required daily patrols at night, on your own volition, taken out of your time. Heat, cold, rain, whatever the case is. George stepped up to the plate. And we as residents found that to be very admirable.”

 

[WildCat]

Bolding what most people can see but WildCat doesn't:

Just to be clear, Zimmerman taking his dog out for walkies is the "patrol", right?

 

[This is The End]

I knew as soon as I saw that one of the quotes says Z walked his dog while on NW patrol that WildCat and TheL8Elvis would try and not only say he was only walking his dog, but also apply that to all other times he was on NW patrol and to all other evidence that he was on NW patrol.

 

[WildCat]

I knew as soon as I saw that one of the quotes says Z walked his dog while on NW patrol that WildCat and TheL8Elvis would try and not only say he was only walking his dog, but also apply that to all other times he was on NW patrol and to all other evidence that he was on NW patrol.

I think "evidence" means something else in your universe.

 

[This is The End]

Just to be clear, Zimmerman taking his dog out for walkies is the "patrol", right?

OK, just like I asked TheL8Elvis.

No more just asking questions.

Please, stand up, and make the claim:

I, WildCat, do not believe that Z ever went on NW patrol. Period.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I knew as soon as I saw that one of the quotes says Z walked his dog while on NW patrol that WildCat and TheL8Elvis would try and not only say he was only walking his dog, but also apply that to all other times he was on NW patrol and to all other evidence that he was on NW patrol.

There were two (2) links to FT saying GZ patrolled. It appears those patrols just happened to coincide with walking his dog.

That is all the evidence I have seen about GZ patrolling.

I haven't seen any evidence about the rules for the NW program at RATL. Do they allow or not allow patrols ? I think that question needs to be answered to figure out if I even care if GZ went on patrol.

 

[WildCat]

OK, just like I asked TheL8Elvis.

No more just asking questions.

Please, stand up, and make the claim:

I, Wildcat, believe no one has provided any evidence whatsoever that Zimmerman went on patrol as part of the NW program.

Taking the dog out to do his business is the patrol, right OTT?

 

[This is The End]

Perhaps you can link to where Zimmerman said he was scared at the T? No one else has been able to.

Yeah we know. You claim you were only saying that the word "scared" wasn't used. We provided you with clear evidence that he was in fear. We aren't going to fall for that. You wish that your claim was just that the specific word "scared" wasn't used. A common tactic.

Or perhaps like when you denied that anyone said that Zimmerman claimed he was attacked from behind and it turned out that you were the one that said it and then never admitted that you were wrong?

This doesn't even make sense, you're claiming that I said no one here claimed Zimmerman said he was attacked from behind?


Link? Didn't thinbk so.

First of all, just like in the above, your only recourse is to play word games. anyone does not mean no one here

You just hope and pray that a few people will believe that you meant something else. It's your only hope.

It will be more relevant once you explain why you think GZ claimed he was attacked from behind.

Maybe because that was the story we all heard, as relayed by the Sanford police?

The SPD gave no such story, and you won't be able to provide a link to anything of the sort.

Maybe you have a reading comprehension issue?

In fact, the official statement says Zimmerman got out to follow, then lost sight of Martin and was returning to his vehicle when he was jumped from behind.

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On to the next one:

Right, no one here claimed no injuries to Zimmerman.

Again, just like in the above two examples, instead of admitting you were wrong you try and re-write your claim.

eta: and we had dozens of pages here of people denying Zimmerman had any injuries at all. Now that they're documented those same peopel are saying Martin didn't cause those injuries? D'Nile, not just a river in Egypt.

You go from "dozens of pages" claiming no "injuries at all" to "no one here claimed no injuries to Zimmerman" even once. Even though neither of them happened you hope and pray that someone will at least accept one case instead of "dozens of pages".

Again, no apologies. All denial. All goalpost moving.

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Now for the final one:

ETA: How could I forget last week when you denied it is possible for 8 year olds to act on sexual desires and then never admitted that you were wrong...

You still have no idea what it was I was saying, I guess reading comprehension isn't your thing.

Apparently I'm not the only person with a reading comprehension problem:

I don't think an 8 year old is sexually attracted to anything.

Perhaps you missed where we told you that you are completely wrong about that?

Yeah, those 7 year olds and their raging hormones...

Wow, this is sad, it shows either ignorance or deliberate ignorance. Besides a false dichotomy.

I know, those 7 year olds, full of sexual rage and frustration.

This is sad, you are engaging in denial of the sexual nature children, are you basing this upon religious beliefs, because you are mirroring them.

You are diminishing the nature of sexual assault and show a clear tendency towards ignorance.

Sexual rage and frustration do not lead to sexual assault, so add some stupid neo Freudian crap to your ignorance.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Way to knock down that strawman !

So, by patrolling, you mean out walking his dog.

And, isn't every member of the community a member of the neighborhood watch ?

And where did that link to the neighborhood watch rules for the RATL go ???

Don't ya just love the way Uniboogie ignored the part about GZ walking with his Rottweiler while on patrol? I guess he must have been wishing really hard, "please, please don't anyone notice that part". Gotta love the search for truth anything that can be twisted and quoted out of context that is on display here.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

And boy, that Frank Taaffe sure didn't know George, that's for darn tootin'.

I like how a debate about whether GZ and FT are friends is now being misrepresented as if someone claimed GZ and FT don't know one another.

 

[This is The End]

I knew as soon as I saw that one of the quotes says Z walked his dog while on NW patrol that WildCat and TheL8Elvis would try and not only say he was only walking his dog, but also apply that to all other times he was on NW patrol and to all other evidence that he was on NW patrol.

How in the world could I have forgotten to include NBS in that:

Don't ya just love the way Uniboogie ignored the part about GZ walking with his Rottweiler while on patrol? I guess he must have been wishing really hard, "please, please don't anyone notice that part". Gotta love the search for truth anything that can be twisted and quoted out of context that is on display here.

At least WildCat stood up and made the claim that WildCat believe that Z never went on NW patrol. Period. TheL8Elvis did a nice dodge of actually making the claim.

 

[johnny karate]

Since a neighbor reporting that Zimmerman went on patrol isn't enough evidence for the hardcore to believe that Zimmerman went on patrol, perhaps replacing "Going on patrol" with "Was found with a screwdriver and jewelry" and "George Zimmerman" with "Trayvon Martin" would help them see the light.

 

[Unabogie]

I'm confused. Aside from witnesses saying that George was out on patrol, just what sort of evidence would you expect to prove that he was out of patrol?

Claim: he was out on patrol.
Evidence: people saw him out on patrol. his fellow NW captain says he was out on patrol.

By the way, what does it matter if the dog was being "walked"?

In what bizarro world is a guy carrying a gun and walking a Rottweiler, who is described by his neighbors as "being out on patrol" at the time, not on patrol? Are K9 police units not checking for drugs if the dog does his business at some point?

Maybe we should back up and you can tell me what sort of evidence would suffice aside from eyewitness testimony? Because from my vantage point you people are just out of your minds.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

At least WildCat stood up and made the claim that WildCat believe that Z never went on NW patrol. Period. TheL8Elvis did a nice dodge of actually making the claim.

I'm not dodging, my answer is just contingent upon my understanding of the NW structure for RATL, etc.

OTT - you can feel free to answer my questions Unabogie has so far declined to answer.

 

[johnny karate]

Don't ya just love the way Uniboogie ignored the part about GZ walking with his Rottweiler while on patrol? I guess he must have been wishing really hard, "please, please don't anyone notice that part". Gotta love the search for truth anything that can be twisted and quoted out of context that is on display here.

So you think Unabogie ignored a piece of information that he actually quoted?

Also, where is it written that one can't patrol the neighborhood while walking their dog?

And lastly, his name is "Unabogie" not "Uniboogie". It's right there to the left of his posts in big letters. You can even copy and paste if remembering how to spell correctly proves too challenging.

 

[Unabogie]

I'm not dodging, my answer is just contingent upon my understanding of the NW structure for RATL, etc.

OTT - you can feel free to answer my questions Unabogie has so far declined to answer.

What question?

 

[This is The End]

I'm not dodging, my answer is just contingent upon my understanding of the NW structure for RATL, etc.

OTT - you can feel free to answer my questions Unabogie has so far declined to answer.

What does whether or not they were allowed have to do with you accepting evidence that Z went on NW patrols?

If they are allowed you will accept evidence that he went on NW patrols, but if they are not allowed you won't??

 

[This is The End]

No one is even claiming that it matters legally that Z was on patrol or not.

I think some people were just stunned that other people are denying that Z was ever on NW patrol.

 

[Unabogie]

So you think Unabogie ignored a piece of information that he actually quoted?

Also, where is it written that one can't patrol the neighborhood while walking their dog?

And lastly, his name is "Unabogie" not "Uniboogie". It's right there to the left of his posts in big letters. You can even copy and paste if remembering how to spell correctly proves too challenging.

It's actually comical. Here you have a guy walking a Rottweiler, and strapped with his weapon (and most likely his tactical flashlight). His NW partner says he's taking on the whole complex to patrol. The word patrol is used again and again.

Just picture George with his dog and his gun.

And this is the guy who's just out for a stroll?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Can you point me to the RATL neighborhood watch handbook and the rules against concealed carry ? TIA.

Here are some links to help:
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf
(gone, but google docs still has it)
http://documents.latimes.com/trayvon-martin-killing/
http://documents.latimes.com/trayvon-martin-killing-neighorhood-watch-2/
http://documents.latimes.com/trayvon-martin-killing-neighorhood-watch-3/

eta: google docs:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...2Bvp4O&sig=AHIEtbSA1U4mZUYwAZ9AV_GpuS9mQC9BIg

Way to knock down that strawman !

So, by patrolling, you mean out walking his dog.

And, isn't every member of the community a member of the neighborhood watch ?

And where did that link to the neighborhood watch rules for the RATL go ???

What question?

The ones about how GZ broke all the rules ... what rules ?