CIA threatens "Press for Truth" producers over release of new documentary

Come on you guy, applause where it's appropriate - Not that it matters to the bigger picture of things.

As you know, I'd rather swallow warm puke, than compliment a Truther, but that time does come once in while. CE, I think this is hilarious. It's good to know that you're not always a babbling tool and when someone says something that's wrong, you've still got the gray matter left to let them know. It's not a big deal, but it's funny. Guys, let him have his laughs when he deserves them. Brainster still still has a job and his family isn't embarrassed of him.
 
Perhaps you could point me to the bit that says where the USA authorities knew about 911 but let it go ahead. Thank you in advance.



All of the official US government documentation of the investigations after the attacks on 9/11 said that the CIA and FBI HQ had known that a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place inside of the US in July/August 2001. This same documentation and evidence says that the FBI HQ shut down or effectively blocked all investigations of al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US in the August and September 2001 time frame.

FBI HQ ITOS Agent Michael Maltbie and FBI HQ ITOS SS Agent David Frasca blocked FBI Harry Samit from getting a search warrant for Moussaoui's duffle bag. FBI HQ ITOS Agent Dina Corsi and her boss FBI HQ ITOS SS Agent Rod Middleton shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi on August 28-29 using illegal and criminal means to do this. If they knew about this al Qaeda attack and then shut down all FBI criminal investigations of all al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US, what do you think they thought was going to happen when these terrorists were free to carry out the attacks the CIA and FBI HQ knew were just about to take place.

Certainly even you can connect the dots, these very simple dots.

DOT one – CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack just about to take place inside of the US

DOT two – FBI HQ in late August 2001, shut down or blocked all FBI criminal investigations of al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US.

HELLO, HELLO, HELLO, KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK, IS ANY ONE HOME?

Again certainly even you should be able to connect these very few dots, these extremely simple dots. Well maybe this just too much for you, a mental exercise that is just a stretch too far.

What is so horrific is that the CIA and FBI HQ even knew that Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were actually inside of the US on August 22, 2001 in order take part in the huge al Qaeda terrorist attack that they had been warned about since April 2001, and still they shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.
 
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As I told you before, it isn't that simple. I'm afraid there is no way for you around reading the well-written "walls of text" paloalto has offered on several angles of his research. Little "bits" just don't cut it. You have to put some effort into comprehending it - much more than goes into your hilariously uninformed one-liners. Sorry.

Dafydd never asked for a little bit. Just "the bit". The section where it explicitly or by implication supports the claim of deliberate malfeasance, regardless of length. Any part of the book whatsoever where the writer states or implies they came to the same conclusion PA has.


Whoops. My mistake.
 
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All of the official US government documentation of the investigations after the attacks on 9/11 said that the CIA and FBI HQ had known that a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place inside of the US in July/August 2001. This same documentation and evidence says that the FBI HQ shut down or effectively blocked all investigations of al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US in the August and September 2001 time frame.

FBI HQ ITOS Agent Michael Maltbie and FBI HQ ITOS SS Agent David Frasca blocked FBI Harry Samit from getting a search warrant for Moussaoui's duffle bag. FBI HQ ITOS Agent Dina Corsi and her boss FBI HQ ITOS SS Agent Rod Middleton shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi on August 28-29 using illegal and criminal means to do this. If they knew about this al Qaeda attack and then shut down all FBI criminal investigations of all al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US, what do you think they thought was going to happen when these terrorists were free to carry out the attacks the CIA and FBI HQ knew were just about to take place.

Certainly even you can connect the dots, these very simple dots.

DOT one – CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack just about to take place inside of the US

DOT two – FBI HQ in late August 2001, shut down or blocked all FBI criminal investigations of al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US.

HELLO, HELLO, HELLO, KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK, IS ANY ONE HOME?

Again certainly even you should be able to connect these very few dots, these extremely simple dots. Well maybe this just too much for you, a mental exercise that is just a stretch too far.

What is so horrific is that the CIA and FBI HQ even knew that Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were actually inside of the US on August 22, 2001 in order take part in the huge al Qaeda terrorist attack that they had been warned about since April 2001, and still they shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

So they 'knew' that a plot would take place in July/August and then waited until late August to shut down investigations.

,,, and this is proof that they knew that a plot was to take place against NYC on Sept 11(as opposed to somewhere in the USA, or in July/August) and that this plot would be domestic a/c from airports on the east coast being hijacked and flown into the WTC towers?

There may be a few holes in that scenario,,,,,
 
So they 'knew' that a plot would take place in July/August and then waited until late August to shut down investigations.

,,, and this is proof that they knew that a plot was to take place against NYC on Sept 11(as opposed to somewhere in the USA, or in July/August) and that this plot would be domestic a/c from airports on the east coast being hijacked and flown into the WTC towers?

There may be a few holes in that scenario,,,,,

The terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, and even Zacarias Moussaoui were not found inside of the US until mid to late August 2001.

Moussaoui was uncovered on August 15, 2001 in Minnesota trying to learn how to fly a B747 without even a private pilot’s license and Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were not discovered in the US, for the second time, until August 22, 2001.

They didn’t need to know what the plot was, they had the names, credit card numbers and even the passport numbers for Mihdhar and Hazmi, and could have used this information to find them or put them on watch lists to keep them off all US airliners.

With a credit card number, how long does it take a credit card company to do a credit check on you, may be 10-20 minutes to at most a few hours, and find out where you last stayed, and if you purchased tickets on a commercial airliner.
 
They didn’t need to know what the plot was, they had the names, credit card numbers and even the passport numbers for Mihdhar and Hazmi, and could have used this information to find them or put them on watch lists to keep them off all US airliners.


Would that be the Terrorist Watch List, that had about 400,000 names on it in 2001 and did not prevent listees from boarding airlines, or the No-Fly List that was created in December 2001?
 
As I told you before, it isn't that simple. I'm afraid there is no way for you around reading the well-written "walls of text" paloalto has offered on several angles of his research. Little "bits" just don't cut it. You have to put some effort into comprehending it - much more than goes into your hilariously uninformed one-liners. Sorry.

No one at the CIA or anywhere else in the gov't consciously made a decision to let AQ murder thousands of Americans. It was a cluster ****. Nothing else.
 
No one at the CIA or anywhere else in the gov't consciously made a decision to let AQ murder thousands of Americans. It was a cluster ****. Nothing else.

That is not what the overwhelming evidence found in the official US government documents from the several investigations of the attacks on 9/11 now show, as my information has documented. I have listed this information chapter and verse.

You were mislead by the 9/11 Commission which was set up to prove that no one was to be blamed for allowing the attacks on 9/11. By combining this report with the many other reports and documents on 9/11, it was easy to prove that the CIA using FBI agents at FBI HQ that they had corrupted had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place. All of the information I have presented comes directly out of the official US government documents, the DOJ IG report, the 9/11 Commission report, the defense exhibits from the Moussaoui trial, and with some information that was missing in these documents taken from the account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan, by Lawrence Wright, the book State of Denial by Bob Woodward and the article in Harpers on Richard Blee, Chief of the CIA bin Laden unit.

Unfortunately your statement that "No one at the CIA or anywhere else in the gov't consciously made a decision to let AQ murder thousands of Americans." is not supported any longer by the facts that come directly out of this documentation.

Sorry to pop your bubble, but you have been hood winked by the 9/11 Commission, and their complete farce of a report on 9/11. You have been made to drink their cool aid. The information that they presented in their 9/11 Commission report has been shown to again and again to be completely misleading. Even when you look back at the testimony given at the 9/11 Commission public hearings it is completely obvious that the high level CIA officials had lied repeatedly to the 9/11 Commission and to the American people. I have presented these lies several times and even their testimony which was complete nonsense.

I will give you just one example:

On April 14, 2004 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer asked CIA Director George Tenet under oath if he knew a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place in August 2001, and knew it would kill thousands of Americans, what did he tell the President about this attack in August. Tenet stated under oath that he did not tell the President anything about this attack. Roemer, who was flummoxed by this response than asked Tenet why he had not told the President about this huge al Qaeda attack in August 2001. Tenet stated that this was because he, Tenet , was in Washington DC and the President was in the western White House at Crawford, Texas. Again Roemer is almost speechless by this response. Then Roemer asked CIA Director George Tenet why he did not pick up a telephone and call the President and give him this information. Tenet said he had not done this but if he had wanted to he could have called the President and given him this information, he had just not done this.

NOW THIS REALLY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

You are the director of the CIA. You know a huge al Qaeda attack is just about to take place inside of the US, yet you do not tell the President about this attack.

SAY WHAT?

When Tenet finished his testimony Bill Harlow, CIA spokesman, told the main stream media that CIA Director George Tenet had lied under oath, that George Tenet had visited the President at Crawford Texas on August 17, 2001, and had seen the President in late August back in Washington, and again 6 more times in September prior to the attacks on 9/11. But the White House web site had an article on it that described the visit by George Tenet on August 24, 2001.

OOPS!

This article even said that Tenet had a 6 hour long meeting with the President on August 24, 2001.

OOPS AGAIN!

But George Tenet had 2 1/2 years to prepare for his testimony in front of the 9/11 Commission so it is highly unlikely he did not know that he had been at the Crawford White House on August 24, 2001, and had a 6 hour meeting with the President of the United States.

By August 24, 2001, Tenet knew about the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui, knew he was thought to be a terrorist by the FBI trying to learn how to fly a B747 without even a private pilot’s license, knew that the FBI agents that had arrested Moussaoui were having an impossible job trying to get a search warrant for Moussaoui's duffel bag.

Tenet had also known about the fact that both al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were found by his own CIA bin laden unit to be inside of the US on August 22, 2001, and even knew they were here in order to take part in this huge al Qaeda attack that Tenet had been aware of since April 2001.

This information had gone to the entire CIA on August 22, 2001 just after CIA detailee Margaret Gillespie had found out from the INS that these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US and had the CIA bin Laden unit issue a alert throughout the CIA, the State Department and the FBI just after a meeting Gillespie had with FBI Deputy Chief of the ITOS unit, Tom Wilshire, and FBI Agent Dina Corsi. These were the FBI HQ agent and manager that had been central in the criminal conspiracy to hide any and all information on Mihdhar and Hazmi from the FBI criminal Cole bombing investigators and the fact that these al Qaeda terrorists had been at the January 2000 al Qaeda planning meeting with the mastermind of the Cole bombing, Walid bin Attash, actually planning the Cole bombing.

You can’t wish this information away. It will be here for all time. This information comes directly out of the official US government documents and reports on the attacks on 9/11. You can’t make this information go away no matter how hard you try to make it go away.

Not only can you not explain CIA Director George Tenet's bizarre testimony at the 9/11 Commission public hearings on April 14, 2004, but you can’t even explain the more bizarre behavior at the CIA and FBI HQ to shut down all FBI criminal investigations of any and all al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US in late August 2001, when the CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack was just about to take place inside of the US and even knew by shutting these investigations down it would all but guarantee that this al Qaeda attack would not be prevented.
 
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again, if this is all so solid and overwhelming as you claim, then why are you here, on a little known skeptics forum, trying desperately to get a few skeptical type people to believe you? That doesn't make any sense.
 
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It isn't that simple. I'm afraid there is no way for you around reading the well-written "walls of text" paloalto has offered on several angles of his research. Little "bits" just don't cut it. You have to put some effort into comprehending it.

This is a fantastic example of 9-11 Truth as a religion.

One tactic all religions use is to insist that their holy books are full of deep, elusive meaning that require years of earnest study to fully understand. And if you don't see it, the problem is on your end.

And so it is with our high priest paloalto and his robed acolytes shure and Childlike Empress. We are to believe that The Looming Tower and The Eleventh Day are just chock full full of connectable dots that everyone fails to recognize -- including, apparently, the authors of the books themselves.

But they can't tell you what the dots connect to, or give you a summary, or even answer a reasonable question as to what they're trying to say. It's just too deep, man. But they'll insist it's all there if you want to take the time to figure it out. As if you're a knuckle-dragging gorilla for expecting someone to have a point.

Another aspect of this 9/11-information-as-holy-book approach is that it makes people obsess over minutiae and miss the larger point. Surely you've met some fundamentalist Christian who justifies his hateful views with some tortured interpretation of Leviticus, but fails to recognize that "judge not, lest ye be judged" is a major theme of the Bible.

It is a grand comic irony that paloalto leans so heavily on Looming Tower and Eleventh Day, since those books, by virtue of their subject matter, disprove major tenets of 9-11 Truth. The idea of al-Qaeda/Osama bin Laden as co-conspirator/patsy/US-controlled asset persist within Trutherism. These books go into tremendous detail about the history of AQ/OBL, and in doing so expose blanket statements like "Bin Laden was a CIA asset" as vacuous handwaves.

As with most religions, 9-11 Truth claims to have all the answers... but can't even agree with itself about what they are.
 
As I told you before, it isn't that simple. I'm afraid there is no way for you around reading the well-written "walls of text" paloalto has offered on several angles of his research. Little "bits" just don't cut it. You have to put some effort into comprehending it - much more than goes into your hilariously uninformed one-liners. Sorry.

1) Strange how the "well written walls of text" constantly result in so many posters asking him to restate or explain what he means.

2) Interesting how he (and you) are unable to respond to questions about your specific "facts" or conclusions but simply continue your rambling Gish Gallops.

3) Just as interesting is your repeated instance we do your homework for you.

You were mislead by the 9/11 Commission which was set up to prove that no one was to be blamed for allowing the attacks on 9/11.
Which you know, how? Especially since it's universally acknowledged 9/11 was a massive intelligence failure?

Unfortunately your statement that "No one at the CIA or anywhere else in the gov't consciously made a decision to let AQ murder thousands of Americans." is not supported any longer by the facts that come directly out of this documentation.
Really, you can tell what people "consciously decided?"

On April 14, 2004 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer asked CIA Director George Tenet under oath if he knew a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place in August 2001, and knew it would kill thousands of Americans, what did he tell the President about this attack in August. Tenet stated under oath that he did not tell the President anything about this attack. Roemer, who was flummoxed by this response than asked Tenet why he had not told the President about this huge al Qaeda attack in August 2001.
Since Tenent didn't know there was a huge terrorist attack scheduled to take place in August to kill thousands, your point would be?

You are the director of the CIA. You know a huge al Qaeda attack is just about to take place inside of the US, yet you do not tell the President about this attack.
1) No one "knew" a huge al Qaeda attack is just about to take place inside of the US. Do you think by saying it enough it will become true?

2) Do you recall the August 6, 2001 PDB memo, "Bin Laden determined to strike in US?"

When Tenet finished his testimony Bill Harlow, CIA spokesman, told the main stream media that CIA Director George Tenet had lied under oath, that George Tenet had visited the President at Crawford Texas on August 17, 2001, and had seen the President in late August back in Washington, and again 6 more times in September prior to the attacks on 9/11. But the White House web site had an article on it that described the visit by George Tenet on August 24, 2001.
Gee, so it wasn't like the meetings were kept secret or under the table was it? Almost as if Tenent made a mistake. Not like anyone has ever misspoke on the stand.

But George Tenet had 2 1/2 years to prepare for his testimony in front of the 9/11 Commission so it is highly unlikely he did not know that he had been at the Crawford White House on August 24, 2001, and had a 6 hour meeting with the President of the United States.
More of your ability to read minds?

By August 24, 2001, Tenet knew about the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui, knew he was thought to be a terrorist by the FBI trying to learn how to fly a B747 without even a private pilot’s license, knew that the FBI agents that had arrested Moussaoui were having an impossible job trying to get a search warrant for Moussaoui's duffel bag.
You do realize search warrants require probable cause? Please, Captain Hindsight, tell us what you think was the agents' probable cause to search the laptop?

Tenet had also known about the fact that both al Qaeda terrorists Khalid al Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were found by his own CIA bin laden unit to be inside of the US on August 22, 2001, and even knew they were here in order to take part in this huge al Qaeda attack that Tenet had been aware of since April 2001.
Hyperbole presented as fact.

These were the FBI HQ agent and manager that had been central in the criminal conspiracy to hide any and all information...
You do know anyone can write out an affidavit and present it to a judge, right? If you have evidence and probable cause to support your bold claim of "criminal conspiracy" you should probably get off your posterior and do something.

the CIA and FBI HQ to shut down all FBI criminal investigations of any and all al Qaeda terrorists found to be inside of the US in late August 2001,
false.

the CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack was just about to take place inside of the US and even knew by shutting these investigations down it would all but guarantee that this al Qaeda attack would not be prevented.
More mind reading?
 
This is a fantastic example of 9-11 Truth as a religion.

One tactic all religions use is to insist that their holy books are full of deep, elusive meaning that require years of earnest study to fully understand. And if you don't see it, the problem is on your end.

And so it is with our high priest paloalto and his robed acolytes shure and Childlike Empress. We are to believe that The Looming Tower and The Eleventh Day are just chock full full of connectable dots that everyone fails to recognize -- including, apparently, the authors of the books themselves.

But they can't tell you what the dots connect to, or give you a summary, or even answer a reasonable question as to what they're trying to say. It's just too deep, man. But they'll insist it's all there if you want to take the time to figure it out. As if you're a knuckle-dragging gorilla for expecting someone to have a point.

Another aspect of this 9/11-information-as-holy-book approach is that it makes people obsess over minutiae and miss the larger point. Surely you've met some fundamentalist Christian who justifies his hateful views with some tortured interpretation of Leviticus, but fails to recognize that "judge not, lest ye be judged" is a major theme of the Bible.

It is a grand comic irony that paloalto leans so heavily on Looming Tower and Eleventh Day, since those books, by virtue of their subject matter, disprove major tenets of 9-11 Truth. The idea of al-Qaeda/Osama bin Laden as co-conspirator/patsy/US-controlled asset persist within Trutherism. These books go into tremendous detail about the history of AQ/OBL, and in doing so expose blanket statements like "Bin Laden was a CIA asset" as vacuous handwaves.

As with most religions, 9-11 Truth claims to have all the answers... but can't even agree with itself about what they are.

:bigclap

You quite literally took the words out of my mouth. Well said.
 
"The Looming Tower" was the first crack in the dam in regards to what really happened between the CIA, FBI headquarters and field agents.

"The Eleventh Day" presents a whole chapter called "Unanswered Questions"

The information presented in this thread has nothing to do with 9-11 truth as it has come to be defined.

This information revolves around Hazmi and Mihdhar who were on American Airlines flight 77 which hit the pentagon.

Most 9-11 truth"er's" don't even think a plane hit the pentagon.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
- Thomas Pynchon


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The terrorists Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, and even Zacarias Moussaoui were not found inside of the US until mid to late August 2001.

Moussaoui was uncovered on August 15, 2001 in Minnesota trying to learn how to fly a B747 without even a private pilot’s license and Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were not discovered in the US, for the second time, until August 22, 2001.

They didn’t need to know what the plot was, they had the names, credit card numbers and even the passport numbers for Mihdhar and Hazmi, and could have used this information to find them or put them on watch lists to keep them off all US airliners. With a credit card number, how long does it take a credit card company to do a credit check on you, may be 10-20 minutes to at most a few hours, and find out where you last stayed, and if you purchased tickets on a commercial airliner.

If they didn't know what the plot was why would they keep them off airliners?
 
This is a fantastic example of 9-11 Truth as a religion.

One tactic all religions use is to insist that their holy books are full of deep, elusive meaning that require years of earnest study to fully understand. And if you don't see it, the problem is on your end.

And so it is with our high priest paloalto and his robed acolytes shure and Childlike Empress. We are to believe that The Looming Tower and The Eleventh Day are just chock full full of connectable dots that everyone fails to recognize -- including, apparently, the authors of the books themselves.

But they can't tell you what the dots connect to, or give you a summary, or even answer a reasonable question as to what they're trying to say. It's just too deep, man. But they'll insist it's all there if you want to take the time to figure it out. As if you're a knuckle-dragging gorilla for expecting someone to have a point.

Another aspect of this 9/11-information-as-holy-book approach is that it makes people obsess over minutiae and miss the larger point. Surely you've met some fundamentalist Christian who justifies his hateful views with some tortured interpretation of Leviticus, but fails to recognize that "judge not, lest ye be judged" is a major theme of the Bible.

It is a grand comic irony that paloalto leans so heavily on Looming Tower and Eleventh Day, since those books, by virtue of their subject matter, disprove major tenets of 9-11 Truth. The idea of al-Qaeda/Osama bin Laden as co-conspirator/patsy/US-controlled asset persist within Trutherism. These books go into tremendous detail about the history of AQ/OBL, and in doing so expose blanket statements like "Bin Laden was a CIA asset" as vacuous handwaves.

As with most religions, 9-11 Truth claims to have all the answers... but can't even agree with itself about what they are.

Belief precedes understanding.

Nothing in human speculation, or
In the historical record, must be allowed to destroy faith or even call it seriously into question. Not just the interpretation of the fact, but on occasion the fact itself, may have to be arbitrarily determined, if Christian truth is to be seen to prevail.


TrinJ 3:1 (Spring 1982) p. 40
 
"The Looming Tower" was the first crack in the dam in regards to what really happened between the CIA, FBI headquarters and field agents.

"The Eleventh Day" presents a whole chapter called "Unanswered Questions"

The information presented in this thread has nothing to do with 9-11 truth as it has come to be defined.

This information revolves around Hazmi and Mihdhar who were on American Airlines flight 77 which hit the pentagon.

Most 9-11 truth"er's" don't even think a plane hit the pentagon.

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
- Thomas Pynchon


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The religious zealot analogy by triterope above stands, shure. Neither of those books supports '9-11 was an inside job'.
 
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