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A Petition worth signing

There must be more to this story, but assuming it's all true, please explain to me how a Central National Registry for Military Sex Offenders would help.

I would like to see evidence that convicted sex offenders are allowed to remain in the military ..
 
Skeptical Greg said:
There must be more to this story, but assuming it's all true, please explain to me how a Central National Registry for Military Sex Offenders would help.

I would like to see evidence that convicted sex offenders are allowed to remain in the military ..
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Research rape handled 'at the command level'.
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
Will that research reveal that persons convicted of sexual assault or rape in a court martial or civilian court are allowed to remain in the military ?
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Personnel whose offenses are handled by NJP or even a summary, can be allowed to remain in.

If it is handled at the command level, it is more possible to be swept under the rug, and the UCMJ doesn't use mandatory sentences at that level.

Unless something has changed, there would still be cases where the attacker remained in the military.
 
I didn't ask if offenders remained in the military, I asked if convicted offenders would remain in the military..

What would be the criteria for having someone added to the " Central National Registry for Military Sex Offenders ", that this petition hopes to create ?

Will the secretary of defense set up this registry, while overlooking the problem being swept under the rug?


How do you get the names of people who were not prosecuted into the registry ?

If you were raped and assaulted multiple times over a period of three years, and you cannot name the perpetrators, how do you get their names into a registry ?

Lets say we get some names into the registry.. What if you check the registry and find a platoon mate is in the registry?

What can you expect to do about it, if you could be raped or assaulted in the same environment where nothing was done about it ?

While the problem needs to be addressed, the petition is silly..
 
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Skeptical Greg said:
I didn't ask if offenders remained in the military, I asked if convicted offenders would remain in the military..

What would be the criteria for having someone added to the " Central National Registry for Military Sex Offenders ", that this petition hopes to create ?

Will the secretary of defense set up this registry, while overlooking the problem being swept under the rug?


How do you get the names of people who were not prosecuted into the registry ?

If you were raped and assaulted multiple times over a period of three years, and you cannot name the perpetrators, how do you get their names into a registry ?

Lets say we get some names into the registry.. What if you check the registry and find a platoon mate is in the registry?

What can you expect to do about it, if you could be raped or assaulted in the same environment where nothing was done about it ?

While the problem needs to be addressed, the petition is silly..
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And your question was thoroughly answered, you are just refusing to accept it.
 
My question was ' would convicted offenders remain in the military ? ' (.. more or less rhetorical )

I actually assume they would not, and was wondering if you had evidence to the contrary..

Nothing so far..

Do you think the petition is a worthwhile endeavor ?
 
Skeptical Greg said:
My question was ' would convicted offenders remain in the military ? ' (.. more or less rhetorical )

I actually assume they would not, and was wondering if you had evidence to the contrary..

Nothing so far..

Do you think the petition is a worthwhile endeavor ?
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Denial isn't just a strip club in Cairo.

Your question has been answered, you've been told how to find the evidence.
 
crimresearch said:
Denial isn't just a strip club in Cairo.

Your question has been answered, you've been told how to find the evidence.
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I can't find any evidence that convicted felons are currently on active duty in the military ..

Do you have any evidence that they are ?

Do you think the petition is a worthwhile endeavor ?

I apologize if it seems like I am badgering you, but I thought maybe since you chose to participate in the discussion, you might have an opinion on the merits of the petition.
 
mushy said:
No woman happens to be raped 4 times and not report it, if she didnt report it after the second time, its her own fault, assuming its true.
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I don't suppose you feel the same way about the Catholic rape scandals and parent/child abuse?

Go into a library and learn about the psychological damage done to rape victims. On a related matter, stay far away from a jury room.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I can't find any evidence that convicted felons are currently on active duty in the military ..

Do you have any evidence that they are ?

Do you think the petition is a worthwhile endeavor ?

I apologize if it seems like I am badgering you, but I thought maybe since you chose to participate in the discussion, you might have an opinion on the merits of the petition.
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Felony conviction isn't what you first asked.

The military has its own system, and a person can be found guilty at any of 3 levels.

The military also doesn't have minimum sentences (or didn't used to), so a crime like rape or sexual battery, if it is handled in-house, can result in a sentence far lighter than an automatic discharge.

Similar to, but not quite the same as pleading to a lesser offense in the civilian world, except that the judge and prosecutor aren't also your boss.

So yes, there have been people who raped, who were accused and found guilty, and remained on active duty... sometimes forcing their victims to work with or even under them.

I'm not saying it happens every day, but it is a known issue, which makes some means of warning people seem like a worthwhile thing.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
There must be more to this story, but assuming it's all true, please explain to me how a Central National Registry for Military Sex Offenders would help.

I would like to see evidence that convicted sex offenders are allowed to remain in the military ..
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Not exactly what you wanted, but there's these:

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/06/27/usafe-tracks-registered-sex-offenders-on-base.html

http://www.militarysexoffendersregistry.com/

Once upon a time, the military was offered as an alternative to jail for young guys in court facing criminal charges, and even today there are waviers available to allow individuals with criminal convictions in their background to serve, depending on the seriousness of the conviction, and the skill or technical knowledge the individual in question brings to the table.
 
mushy said:
This is like some Reddit rubbish people post in hopes of getting a fundraiser going for them. No woman happens to be raped 4 times and not report it, if she didnt report it after the second time, its her own fault, assuming its true.
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Thanks for reading her mind for us and getting the truth out!!! There is no smiley that fits this post.
 
I would still like to see where a " Central National Registry for Military Sex Offenders " would serve a useful purpose ..

Why would anyone expect the same system that makes light of these assaults to put useful information in such a registry ?

If they were willing to do that, then the assault would be handled properly in the first place, the perpetrators would be out of the military, and there would be no names to put in the registry ..
 
Skeptical Greg said:
I would still like to see where a " Central National Registry for Military Sex Offenders " would serve a useful purpose ..

Why would anyone expect the same system that makes light of these assaults to put useful information in such a registry ?

If they were willing to do that, then the assault would be handled properly in the first place, the perpetrators would be out of the military, and there would be no names to put in the registry ..
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Assumes facts not in evidence.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Upon what evidence would you base a case, that the registry would address the problem of sexual assault in the military ?
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I meant that there is no evidence that you 'would still like to see where...' anything.

The constant moving of goal posts when facts are presented to you, makes it look more like you *don't* want see anything that doesn't fit your opinions.

Have it your way.
 
Skeptical Greg said:
Upon what evidence would you base a case, that the registry would address the problem of sexual assault in the military ?
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If I understand it correctly, unless the convicted individual receives a BCD (Bad Conduct Discharge) a conviction will not appear on that individual's form 214 - I wouldn't know, I've never seen a BCD, and didn't go through an article 15 when I served, so I have no first hand expereince in the matter.

See here:

http://ctveteranslegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ch-7.pdf

7.3.3 COURT-MARTIAL RECORDS

There are three types of court-martial. In order of least severity they are: summary court-martial (SCM); special court-martial (SPCM); and general courtmartial
(GCM). As the severity of the court-martial increases, so does the rank of the officer who can order one, the severity of punishment which can beimposed if a conviction results, and the rights afforded the accused at the proceeding.

Rarely will a transcript of a court-martial appear in a veteran's service records, although the U.C.M.J. does require that the servicemember be given a personal copy. There will, however, usually be an "Extract of Military Records of Previous Convictions," found on DO Form 493 or AFF Form 12·26 (Air Force), DA Form 208 (Army), a page 13 entry (Navy), Record of Court-Martial, NAVMC 118(3) (Marines), and/or copies of the Charge Sheet, DO
Form 458.36
 
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