Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Cylinder]

Yes, according to the woman who was molested his Mom said, and I quote "I don't like Obama because I'm a racist".

Dude, I'd love to sit here and chat with you all day about this, but the holes in these pillowcases ain't gonna cut themselves.

 

[Bob001]

Has anyone examined this ignoramus' law degree and confirmed that he really has one? And that it's not from some bogus school on some little island?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/trayvon-martin-familys-lawyer-benjamin-crump_n_1390757.html
http://parkscrump.com/attorneys/benjamin-crump/

Probably not somebody to underestimate.

 

[crimresearch]

Has anyone examined this ignoramus' law degree and confirmed that he really has one? And that it's not from some bogus school on some little island?

It isn't just him, it is the internet/media circus effect... I've seen some stuff put out by lawyers that boggles the mind.

For that matter, look how many legislators are lawyers, and how much of their work product is contradictory to the most basic tenets of the law...

 

[crimresearch]

Has anyone examined this ignoramus' law degree and confirmed that he really has one? And that it's not from some bogus school on some little island?

Tallahassee is indeed little, and an island of backwardness in the sea of Lower Georgia, but I know of Crump's work from my time there.

On this particular comment, I have to guess that he has his reasons for saying that, in spite of the fact that Sandusky was charged with child molestation, making such testimony very relevant in his case, not so much in GZ's.

I will note that his job these days, has nothing to do with trying George Zimmerman.

 

[sgtbaker]

I think I will withhold any judgement on this. The way this came to light is weird but I would not accuse anyone of making up sexual assault for any reason.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I think I will withhold any judgement on this. The way this came to light is weird but I would not accuse anyone of making up sexual assault for any reason.

I don't think it's really relevant (not in its current form), and discussion of a topic like this has the potential to get heated quickly.

Probably best to avoid unless there are facts about it to discuss beyond accusations.

 

[sgtbaker]

I don't think it's really relevant (not in its current form), and discussion of a topic like this has the potential to get heated quickly.

Probably best to avoid unless there are facts about it to discuss beyond accusations.

Exactly!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Have you got a link to that discovery? I seem to have missed it.


What I'm finding is that a Total Station was used to map the scene but the question is: When? The hand drawn sketch was made the night of the murder by the photographer. A map drawn from the total station data was drawn by SCLA Orta on April 30th. (link found here). I believe the evidence markers were picked up by the next morning so they would have had to bring the Total Station in that night or early the next morning in order to use it to measure the marker locations.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/99916379/Documents-Given-to-the-Defendant-R-1

I can't locate the other link to the pdf at the moment

 

[triforcharity]

A rebuttal witness has to rebut something relevant to the crime.

There is zero probative value, and 100% inflammatory value, with absolutely no causal link between incestuous molestation, and murder later in life.

I will agree. It will serve no purpose, and is not relevant.

This has been explained many times before. Just like all the other facts that are being ignored in the throes of the woo that is Nancygracianity.

Well, we at least agree that Nancy is a tool. Plain old soggy tool.

 

[triforcharity]

Has anyone examined this ignoramus' law degree and confirmed that he really has one? And that it's not from some bogus school on some little island?

He's got a JD from Florida State University.

 

[johnny karate]

TY



Because there was only circumstantial evidence, not proof.



You followed up and found out no one claimed them ? Why does jewelry go unreported and unclaimed across the entire country ?



Don't know. Unlike the judge, I am not making a claim that I know what happened.



It's a different issue. You touched on earlier. It's more than just just interprating based on evidence in GZ possessions. It's about intent. Judge Lester decided he could reasonably determine GZ intent, and even knows why he changed his intentions.I don't find GZ claiming he would have fled but for the monitoring to be something Lester could reasnably determine from the evidence. He might have fled, yes. He would have fled, no.

Awesome. You let me know just as soon as you have a cite that provides a legal basis for thinking the judge used inappropriate wording in his order.

All these "The judge is wrong!" bare assertions have grown tiresome.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Awesome. You let me know just as soon as you have a cite that provides a legal basis for thinking the judge used inappropriate wording in his order.

All these "The judge is wrong!" bare assertions have grown tiresome.

When did I ever make any claims about legalities and his wording ?

I think your whole understanding of why were discussing this topic got off track somewhere.

 

[quadraginta]

Have you got a link to that discovery? I seem to have missed it.

Here's one.

http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf

The map in question is on (.pdf) page# 284.

By an interesting coincidence it is the very same map which is the first one shown in the JQuest post you link to below.

What I'm finding is that a Total Station was used to map the scene but the question is: When? The hand drawn sketch was made the night of the murder by the photographer. A map drawn from the total station data was drawn by SCLA Orta on April 30th. (link found here). I believe the evidence markers were picked up by the next morning so they would have had to bring the Total Station in that night or early the next morning in order to use it to measure the marker locations.

Apparently that is what they did.

I'm not certain of the provenance of the photos in this CBS slideshow. (They seem to be attributed to the State of Florida.)

This one, if you look carefully, shows the total station set up at the intersection of the sidewalks.

And this one shows the evidence markers.

Mind you, my only intent at the beginning of this tangent was to offer my opinion that it was likely the dimensions on the triangulation sketch were in decimal feet, and later on to offer one hypothesis to address the question of the errant zero.

I don't find decimal feet to be particularly unusual. I expect this is because of my surveying/field engineering background.

I would also expect to see a different notation used if dimensions were expressed as feet and inches (e.g., 5'-4", or perhaps 5-4) The inclusion of a decimal point as a delimiter to express feet and inches would be extremely non-standard for any normal discipline in the U.S. with which I am familiar.

I'm not particularly adamant about the point, and as I said at the onset it would not make any significant difference in regard to the various calculations make in this thread if they were or were not.

If this is a subject which you feel strongly about, and you have some compelling reasons to believe those dimensions are not being expressed as decimal feet then I am certainly willing to entertain them, or if you think that the difference between one and the other will make a difference significant enough to change the discussion.

Otherwise I don't think it's all that important. I never did.

 

[crimresearch]

When did I ever make any claims about legalities and his wording ?

I think your whole understanding of why were discussing this topic got off track somewhere.

I think O'Mara, and his co-counsel, the heavyweight murder defense attorney laid out the legal reasoning quite well.

Not that they know anything, compared to the legal experts on the internet of course...

 

[Bob001]

Anybody care to speculate about whether GZ could be prosecuted for these latest allegations? Has the statute of limitations run out? Was he too young to be responsible at the time the events may have occurred?

 

[Cylinder]

Zimmerman Defense Responds to Witness #9 Statements

Today the State released Witness #9's Statements along with Mr. Zimmerman's phone calls from jail in response to the Court's July 13 order.

In her statements, Witness #9, who is George Zimmerman's cousin, alleges that Mr. Zimmerman inappropriately touched her beginning when she was 6 and Mr. Zimmerman was almost 8, and that it continued on occasion until she was 16 and Mr. Zimmerman was 17.

The defense moved to block the public release of Witness #9's statement in a motion filed on June 18, 2012 contending "The content of this statement is not relevant to the issues of this case, and it would not be admissible in the State's case in chief." The motion further contends that this irrelevant statement should be withheld from public dissemination because of the substantial risk that public disclosure will lead to widespread hostile publicity which would substantially impair the Defendant's fair trial rights, and would pose a serious threat to the administration of justice.

That request was denied on July 13, 2012 by Judge Lester. Because there is a Motion for Disqualification pending, this morning, we asked the prosecution not to release Witness #9's statement until there was a ruling on the Motion for Disqualification. This is an appropriate request as, should the motion for disqualification be granted, reconsideration of recent rulings by the judge is appropriate. However, the prosecution elected to make the public disclosure anyway.

Now that this statement is part of the public record, the defense will vigorously defend Mr. Zimmerman against the allegations. In the next several weeks, there will be reciprocal discovery filed regarding Witness #9's statement.

 

[Bob001]

....In her statements, Witness #9, who is George Zimmerman's cousin.....

....Now that this statement is part of the public record, the defense will vigorously defend Mr. Zimmerman against the allegations. In the next several weeks, there will be reciprocal discovery filed regarding Witness #9's statement.

Is there anything that would prevent the defense from releasing witness 9's identity to the media and the public?

 

[This is The End]

I'd also be very curious to know if anyone can document ANY case in this country where someone arrested for murder fled while on bond and then was granted a higher bail a second time. After all, I'd think that should be fairly common if we are to believe Lesters ruling.

Why in the world would that be an apt analogy? The Judge believes Z had plans to flee and they were thwarted for whatever reason. Not that Z actually fled...

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So it turns out that supposedly Z sexually abused his own cousin during her entire childhood?

Really? That's your FIRST reaction? As opposed to "hmm...he was 8 years old and she was 6 years old, I wonder if there's more to this story".

Am I reading that right or did NBS just try and hand wave off 10 years of sexually molesting a child?

Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS
Witness 9 says her parents confronted #GeorgeZimmerman about molestation at restaurant. Zim said "I'm sorry and just got up and walked out."

OK so according to her parents he admitted it.

Unconfirmed breaking news from Twitter, George Zimmerman was an SS guard in a Nazi concentration camp during WWII!

NBS making light of sexually molesting a child again?? That clears up the previous question. I don't think I am allowed to say what I think of NBS doing that within the MA.

Nope, I just think it's the ultimate irony that we've now reached the point where he was a child molester when he was 8 years old.

Why do you try and say that when we learned in a previous post that it continued until he was 18, an adult. Did you miss that post?? Or do you deny it?

Even if you missed it, you are suggesting that it is OK to sexually molest a child if you are only a few years older than that child..... That somehow that makes it not as bad? Not as bad for the victim? Not as bad for the perpetrator?

I'm not sure that's the right name for it, she's 27 now so her accusations go back to when he was 7 or so?

What do you know, WildCat tries to make the same defense with the same info. Why am I not surprised.

I think I will withhold any judgement on this. The way this came to light is weird but I would not accuse anyone of making up sexual assault for any reason.

Did you miss the part that said she went to the cops with it 2 days after the shooting? Long before there was a media circus....

 

[Cylinder]

Is there anything that would prevent the defense from releasing witness 9's identity to the media and the public?

Judicial ethics. It certainly would not be a crime, since her name is actually now a public record, though one that is exempt from release until the trial phase.

 

[BenBurch]

Nice guy.