Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Unabogie]

The feature you are talking about is if you leave the headlights in the on or accessory lights position, according to the symbol they used in the manual you linked. It doesn't say the time if you turn your car off after turning the lights off.

It says from the time you remove the ignition key. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I linked to the whole manual. If you think there's another number, what is it and on what page can we find it?

 

[Unabogie]

Well your contention is wrong as I explained above. The link explains what the two positions are and none of them are regarding what happens when you turn your lights off, after you turn your car off. I maintain my position.

Is this a typo, you mean lights on, after you remove the ignition key?

Can you explain the sequence of events here? I don't think you are correct, but maybe we're talking about two different scenarios.

 

[sgtbaker]

It says from the time you remove the ignition key. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I linked to the whole manual. If you think there's another number, what is it and on what page can we find it?

Look in the manual on page 80. The paragraph all the way to the left explains what the symbols mean. The symbol that looks like a butterfly is accessory lights. The one that looks like a bullet is headlights. The feature you are talking about is not what I am talking about. In all four of the cars I've owned from 2001 to 2012, if you turn the car off and then turn the headlights off, the headlights will stay on anywhere from 30 seconds to 90 seconds. It is to ensure lighting to get to your door or through the parkinglot. It is not the same feature you are talking about.

 

[sgtbaker]

Is this a typo, you mean lights on, after you remove the ignition key?

Can you explain the sequence of events here? I don't think you are correct, but maybe we're talking about two different scenarios.

No off. If I turn my car off, then turn my headlights off, the lights stay on. I can video the procedure if you would like.

 

[crimresearch]

I have no idea if GZ is guilty of murder but he does come off as kinda stupid (or maybe he forgot to take his brain medicine, I don't know). He doesn't seem bright enough to employ competent legal representation. I think he should be made a ward of the state.

Is it the mere fact that they are representing GZ that makes them incompetent in your assessment? Or the fact that they are doing exactly what defense attorneys are required to do?

 

[Unabogie]

Look in the manual on page 80. The paragraph all the way to the left explains what the symbols mean. The symbol that looks like a butterfly is accessory lights. The one that looks like a bullet is headlights. The feature you are talking about is not what I am talking about. In all four of the cars I've owned from 2001 to 2012, if you turn the car off and then turn the headlights off, the headlights will stay on anywhere from 30 seconds to 90 seconds. It is to ensure lighting to get to your door or through the parkinglot. It is not the same feature you are talking about.

I've never heard of that feature. Is there a name for it, so we can look it up?

I'm talking about leaving your headlights on, on purpose. That's what I thought George says he did.

But so your scenario is:

1. He turned off the engine.
2. He removed the keys.
3. He turned OFF the lights.
4. They stayed on for X number of seconds after turning them off?

So we need to establish A) that he did not attempt to leave the lights on (which is what I recalled) and B) how long the car lights would stay on after shutting them off.

I'll see what Google says.

 

[Unabogie]

No off. If I turn my car off, then turn my headlights off, the lights stay on. I can video the procedure if you would like.

Yeah, I'm curious.

 

[sgtbaker]

I've never heard of that feature. Is there a name for it, so we can look it up?

I'm talking about leaving your headlights on, on purpose. That's what I thought George says he did.

But so your scenario is:

1. He turned off the engine.
2. He removed the keys.
3. He turned OFF the lights.
4. They stayed on for X number of seconds after turning them off?

So we need to establish A) that he did not attempt to leave the lights on (which is what I recalled) and B) how long the car lights would stay on after shutting them off.

I'll see what Google says.

I don't know the name of the feature, believe me, if I did, I would have showed it by now. I usually do it in a one immediately after another process, so I wouldn't call it x amount of seconds. When I do turn the lights off, after, all I have to do is turn the switch back to on, then off, to turn the lights off completely. I normally do that with the minivan and it literally takes a fraction of an extra second to turn the knob. With the Jeep, I back it into the garage and I normally turn the lights off before I even start backing in because the lights eluminate the livingroom across the street.

He didn't say he left the lights on, though. He just said that with his car, the lights stay on, for a while, after you turn the car off. Because his car probably has this feature because every car I've had since 2001, foreign and domestic, has this feature, I just assumed that this is what he is talking about, and since I habitually turn the lights off after I turn the car off, I see no reason to think that this is unusual.

 

[sgtbaker]

Yeah, I'm curious.

I am going to get things going right now but I don't have a youtube account. I will figure out something.

 

[crimresearch]

Speaking for myself, if I was GZ, after that judge proclaimed I was planning to leave the country and my plans were thwarted, I'd feel terrified of that judge giving me a fair trial. I'd be especially concerned about whether the judge would show contempt for me in front of the jury. I suppose the danger of asking for a new judge is that you could end up with one that dislikes you even more. And I assume if his request is not granted it won't increase the judges affection for GZ .

So is it the judge that decides on whether to grant their motion for a new judge??

Note how much has been made here and elsewhere of the fact that Zimmerman was unbonded and had to apply again for a new hearing to get a much higher bond. Note the assertions that this will work against him at trial.

The negative implications of that are now effectively answered by simply saying 'And of course, because of the prejudicial impact of that, we had to ask for a new impartial judge'.

O'Mara would be a fool not to play that card once it was dealt.

Anyway, I'm bored, let's play Speculation is Wild.

Maybe (breathlessly)...
Judge Lester sees clearly that GZ is guaranteed to walk, and doesn't want his name anywhere near that outcome, so he bought himself a passport out of the whole mess???


What have you got?

 

[Unabogie]

I don't know the name of the feature, believe me, if I did, I would have showed it by now. I usually do it in a one immediately after another process, so I wouldn't call it x amount of seconds. When I do turn the lights off, after, all I have to do is turn the switch back to on, then off, to turn the lights off completely. I normally do that with the minivan and it literally takes a fraction of an extra second to turn the knob. With the Jeep, I back it into the garage and I normally turn the lights off before I even start backing in because the lights eluminate the livingroom across the street.

He didn't say he left the lights on, though. He just said that with his car, the lights stay on, for a while, after you turn the car off. Because his car probably has this feature because every car I've had since 2001, foreign and domestic, has this feature, I just assumed that this is what he is talking about, and since I habitually turn the lights off after I turn the car off, I see no reason to think that this is unusual.

I drive a Toyota Echo and it does not have this feature, but it's a pretty basic car.

 

[Cylinder]

Judge Lester sees clearly that GZ is guaranteed to walk, and doesn't want his name anywhere near that outcome, so he bought himself a passport out of the whole mess???

That's not outlandish really. Those seeking reelection in 2012 (e.g. Angela Corey)benefit from the prosecution - win or lose. Those seeking reelection in 2014 (e.g. The Honorable Judge Lester) have to think about the end game.

 

[Alt+F4]

I drive a Toyota Echo and it does not have this feature, but it's a pretty basic car.

I love the Echo! Sucks that they don't make it anymore.

 

[Unabogie]

I love the Echo! Sucks that they don't make it anymore.

Me too. I got mine in 2005 and it still only has 30,000 miles on it. At this rate I think I'll have it for another 15 years.

They are really well made cars.

 

[Rare Truth]

That's not outlandish really. Those seeking reelection in 2012 (e.g. Angela Corey)benefit from the prosecution - win or lose. Those seeking reelection in 2014 (e.g. The Honorable Judge Lester) have to think about the end game.

Corey has already won reelection. She's in till 2016. (2017, if you want to get technical)

 

[Unabogie]

FWIW, I just called my local Honda dealer. He says:

"If you shut off the ignition and shut off the lights, the lights should shut off immediately".

"If not, there's something wrong with the car. " But this also goes along with the dinging sound. That sound happens when you leave the car with the lights still in the on position but in "auto" mode. In that case, the manual says they shut off after 15 seconds.

I urge all of you to call your local Honda dealer and ask the same question.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

He's out on bond anyway, right?

Right?

Oh, right, he is.

Yes, we all know that. He is out on bail because there was no legal reason for him not to be.

That's different than being given every benefit of the doubt, yes ? Because that is what I am claiming. So let's stick to that, ok ?

 

[Rare Truth]

FWIW, I just called my local Honda dealer. He says:

"If you shut off the ignition and shut off the lights, the lights should shut off immediately".

"If not, there's something wrong with the car. " But this also goes along with the dinging sound. That sound happens when you leave the car with the lights still in the on position but in "auto" mode. In that case, the manual says they shut off after 15 seconds.

I urge all of you to call your local Honda dealer and ask the same question.

In this part, GZ mentions they stayed on "for a few..." and then "a while."

DS: I still don’t understand, when he walked up to your car, why didn’t you say anything to him?
GZ: I guess fear. I didn’t want to confront him. He seemed…
DS: You were afraid of him?
GZ: Yes, ma’am.
DS: Then does, do you say he ran?
GZ: Yes.
DS: Then you get out of your car and run after him.
GZ: I didn’t run after him, no. I walked to find the street name, or a street sign. And he had already run, cut out between the houses. So I knew that, if I walked straight through that little sidewalk, I knew that that was my street that I lived on.
DS: Retreat View.
GA: Retreat View Circle. But he, um, when I was walking around, my truck lights stay on, and he was, he wasn’t there.
DS: So, was that portion of that “T” that you could see straight through lit up by your truck lights?
GZ: It was lit up, partially. Because it only stays on for a few…I don’t know how long, but it stays on for a while.
DS: When you got out, you shut the car off and took your keys with you?
GZ: Yes, ma’am.
CS: And you didn’t, okay, at that point, you didn’t see him. Okay, you did say on the phone call, he’s running. And you get out of your car, dispatch tells you stay in your car. And, but yet you decide to go ahead to, where do you take yourself…How many streets are in that subdivision?
GZ: Ah, I think 3.
CS: Okay. And you’re part of the Homeowners Association. Are you head of the Neighborhood Watch?
GZ: Yes, sir.
CS: Okay. Once again. Something else I gotta try to explain away. How do you not know the 3 streets in your neighborhood, you been living for 3 years?
GZ: I don’t know.

2/29 audio interview part 1 (Inv. Serino and Inv. Singleton)

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Here's a hot tip: Don't make plans to flee the country, and you can sidestep this problem altogether.

True.

Do you have an explicit information about GZ planning to leave the country ? Do you think Judge Lester was privy to secret information we haven't seen ?

Or do you think he just came to conclusion based on circumstantial evidence ?

 

[Alt+F4]

He is out on bail because there was no legal reason for him not to be.

Yup, and even though the judge personally seems to think that GZ is a sneaky, manipulative moron, he followed the law. Now as I said, GZ seems kinda stupid and has bad lawyers but if I was in his shoes I'd do everything in my power to keep that judge.