Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Aledging sock-puppetry is a no-no here.
So let's not get ourselves in trouble peeps.

catweasel, (Look at the tagline at WFS about who designed the site:
"Designed by Cunning NightWeasels"
Hmmm.)

I must chime in soon and try to educate a certain person how Council Tax works and how it is not a "bomb tax" that "funds illegal wars"

The lunacy never ends.
 
Well, his consent wasn't needed since he never claimed to be a FOTL. Despite everyone he knows apparently not only being FOTLs, but actually being successful at being FOTLs, and having the police confirm that they're totally allowed to be FOTLs. But, oh, no, Catweasel couldn't possibly do the same. For some reason.

No, no where he failed was due to his failure to stand on one foot in the full moon while waving a certified copy of the Magna Carta over his head and in Norman inflected Anglo-Saxon, singing out that he had a right to travel the road - when no one was looking
 
Hey, you guys remember Steamy Piles, our cop-arresting hero over at WFS, right? Well, this is going to shock you, but things did not go according to plan when he tried to pull a Keith Thompson in court:

http://public.worldfreemansociety.o...5763-steamy-has-been-rearrested-need-help-now

ut tax is the trickey one
al capone got bought down by not paying the 'tax on his machine gun'
[the machine gun tax was the preceedant law,,that allowed the tax on hemp..which evlolved into the drug war..



I didn't know that.:)
 
Generally you won't find a flag in a Canadian court room, just the national coat of arms right behind the judge's chair.
 
Generally you won't find a flag in a Canadian court room, just the national coat of arms right behind the judge's chair.


But just frequently enough to provide the relevant case authority: J.B.C. Securities Ltd. v. R., 2003 NBCA 53

[1] Very early on in the hearing, the appellants requested, and were granted leave to abandon the appeal after their motion for an order removing the gold-fringed Canadian flag that has adorned the Court of Appeal’s hearing room for years was dismissed. ...

[9] As mentioned in my introductory remarks, at the outset of the hearing in this Court, Mr. Chase applied for an order “to remove the gold fringed Canadian flag from the courtroom”. Mr. Chase submits that the gold fringe “denotes a military jurisdiction, not common law” and “[t]here is no lawful reason for a Canadian flag to be present other than the regular statutory authorized flag”. The record for this motion was filed the day of the hearing, shortly before it commenced. After hearing the parties, the Court dismissed the motion, being satisfied that it was frivolous and vexatious.​

Sure enough, David-Kevin: Lindsay was acting for the (unsuccessful) appellants.

Chaetognath
 
And the only military flags with a fringe are infantry regimental colours. Which makes me wonder where they get this tripe.
 
In the 90's, US militia conspirists tried to float the same "fringe" belief.
 
In the 90's, US militia conspirists tried to float the same "fringe" belief.


Haha good one! Their specific claim was that a gold-fringed flag makes any court an admiralty court, which lacks jurisdiction over income-tax matters. That's particularly daft considering that the US doesn't have any special admiralty courts; maritime matters are handled by the regular federal courts. :rolleyes:
 
Haha good one! Their specific claim was that a gold-fringed flag makes any court an admiralty court, which lacks jurisdiction over income-tax matters. That's particularly daft considering that the US doesn't have any special admiralty courts; maritime matters are handled by the regular federal courts. :rolleyes:

There is a brand of Footlers in the US that believe that the United States of America is really a property of the Crown, and that the fringe around the flag signifies that the Queen owns the USA, and as an overseas territory of Mrs Windsor, means that it is subject to Admiralty law.
 
And the only military flags with a fringe are infantry regimental colours. Which makes me wonder where they get this tripe.


The best explanation I have located is at the very handy "Tax Protestor FAQ" run by Daniel Evans:

Really a remarkable resource. Here is what he reports:

There is actually some interesting history behind this nonsense.

There is a federal statute that defines the American flag as thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white, with a “union” of a blue field with one white star for each state. 4 U.S.C. §§ 1 and 2. The statutory definition says nothing about any kind of fringe of the kind often used on ceremonial flags displayed indoors, and at some point someone in the military wondered whether a flag with a fringe was “legal.” In 1925, the Attorney General issued an opinion that a fringe “does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the Flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statute,” concluding that “The presence, therefore, of a fringe on military colors and standards does not violate any existing Act of Congress. Its use or disuse is a matter of practical policy, to be determined, in the absence of statute, by the Commander in Chief....” 34 Op. Atty. Gen. 483 (May 15, 1925).

Perhaps you can see where this is going? Because the Attorney General expressed the opinion that the President as Commander-in-Chief can put a fringe on military flags, tax protesters have leapt to the conclusion that all flags with fringes are military flags. This idea has been flatly rejected in numerous court decisions. See, e.g., McCann v. Greenway, 952 F. Supp. 647 (W.D. Mo. 1997); United States v. Greenstreet, 912 F.Supp. 224, 229 (N.D.Tex.1996) (“To think that a fringed flag adorning the courtroom somehow limits this Court’s jurisdiction is frivolous.”); Vella v. McCammon, 671 F.Supp. 1128, 1129 (S.D.Tex.1987) (rejecting argument that a federal court lacks jurisdiction to impose penalties for civil and criminal contempt because its flag is fringed); Commonwealth v. Appel, 438 Pa.Super. 214, 652 A.2d 341, 343 (1994) (rejecting argument that a fringed flag in a state courtroom conferred on the court admiralty or maritime jurisdiction).

In Leverenz v. Torluemlu, 1996 WL 272538, at *1 & n. 3 (N.D.Ill. May 20, 1996), the court noted that the complaint named as defendants a judge, a state attorney general, a doctor, several police officers from different communities, and 600 unnamed John and Jane Does and that “ome idea of what is to come is provided by this legend that Leverenz attaches to his ‘Complaint’ heading: “This case is under the jurisdiction of the American flag of peace of the United States of America. No flags of war will serve this case jurisdiction.” (In National Auto. Dealers & Assocs. Retirement Trust v. Arbeitman, 89 F.3d 496, 502 (8th Cir.1996), a later motion in the Leverenz case was described as “bizarre.”)


Of course, this is even more idiotic in a Canadian setting. But - as forum commentators have noted, that doesn't slow them down.

Chaetognath
 
So, can anyone point to actual Admiralty Courts that have a flag without a fringe? You'd think that might show that the fringe doesn't mean what they think it means.
 
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