• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

Status
Not open for further replies.
WildCat said:
I still cannot understand why people think being in the NW means you're an expert on the streets in your subdivision, or anything else for that matter.
Click to expand...

I would imagine as a NH captain, he should know the names of the 3 streets in his NEIGHBORHOOD that he's WATCHING. Maybe I'm just crazy like that...:rolleyes:
 
Cylinder said:
In his previous NEN calls, he uses the same 1111 RVC address
Click to expand...

That makes sense, right? That way the police can just him meet at the clubhouse, which is visible when you come in to the complex. That way he could meet them there, rather than explaining how to make a left, then a right, etc. I don't think that says much either way. Although he said he walks his dog on Twin Trees. I wonder how you walk your dog on a street for years and never learn that one street out of three?

Sorry, this just still perplexes me.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
You should probably start reading here. Once you have a better idea what is going on in the case, then you will be able to engage in a more successful discussion.
Click to expand...

Natural Born Skeptic said:
If "skepteen" is indeed a teen, they should be given credit for asking questions and some people should be a little easier on them IMO. skepteen, there was another page in this forum that went about 300 pages and got to large it had to be continued with this one. You might want to look for that thread and read through it if you're interested in learning more about the case.
Click to expand...


... Just saying :D
 
Unabogie said:
Although he said he walks his dog on Twin Trees. I wonder how you walk your dog on a street for years and never learn that one street out of three?

Sorry, this just still perplexes me.
Click to expand...

This is an interesting point because it gets at what we might think as reasonable, and that's based largely on our experiences. So, for example, I take my Great Dane out for walks/runs where he paces alongside me on a bicycle (I'm on the bike). There is a subdivision about a city block down and we turn into it before heading back toward home. We travel to the end of that single street (another city block's distance) and head back.

I have no idea what the name of that street is. There's no reason to. I have no business there other than as a surface to travel on. I've never given directions that involved the street name and never mailed anything to the people living on that street. The name means nothing to me and if I noticed it at all, I didn't remember it.

The whole point of that story is to say that my "reasonable" might not match the next guy's. I can envision conversations much like this in the jury room.
 
Last edited:
WildCat said:
I don't think you understand what NW people actually do.
Click to expand...

No, I understand exactly what they do. They patrol the neighborhood for any suspicious activity, observe that activity, and report it to police.

If GZ couldn't even name the street, how is he going to direct the police to the location of the suspicious activity?

"Yes, he's on the one street that has the big oak tree and a green mailbox with flowers under it...."

It just amazes me that there are 3 streets he SHOULD know the name of, and he can't remember them. And one of them is a CIRCLE!

I could draw you just about any neighborhood in my city, from memory, including hydrant locations, and major cross streets. (Now, granted, I HAVE to know them, but none the less)

He has 3 streets he needs to worry about, and doesn't know the names of the intersections?
 
marplots said:
This is an interesting point because it gets at what we might think as reasonable, and that's based largely on our experiences. So, for example, I take my Great Dane out for walks/runs where he paces alongside me on a bicycle (I'm on the bike). There is a subdivision about a city block down and we turn into it before heading back toward home. We travel to the end of that single street (another city block's distance) and head back.

I have no idea what the name of that street is. There's no reason to....
Click to expand...

I brought this up very early in the thread. The last neighborhood I lived in, the ONLY street who's name I knew was the one I lived on. I didn't know the name of either of the streets next to me, I had no reason to and never paid attention. On the other hand there are parts of the city where I could name every street one after the other. I find this myopic assumption that ones experiences and habits have to match everyone elses and if they don't someone is lying to be bizarre. Just because some people can't fathom he didn't know the street name doesn't mean he's lying.

You'd also think that after multiple people including you and I say "wait, we don't know the names of the streets around us, that's not that unusual", that if people were interested in an objective analysis they might adjust their position and say "OK, it seemed weird to me, but I've now got multiple people assuring me that it's not, so maybe it's not that weird". Yet 300 pages in we've still got people claiming it's unfathomable and impossible. I find that weird. Than again, maybe that's me only basing something on my personal experiences - if I'm wrong, I try to change my opinion. Maybe everyone isn't like that ;) :D.
 
Last edited:
marplots said:
This is an interesting point because it gets at what we might think as reasonable, and that's based largely on our experiences. So, for example, I take my Great Dane out for walks/runs where he paces alongside me on a bicycle (I'm on the bike). There is a subdivision about a city block down and we turn into it before heading back toward home. We travel to the end of that single street (another city block's distance) and head back.

I have no idea what the name of that street is. There's no reason to. I have no business there other than as a surface to travel on. I've never given directions that involved the street name and never mailed anything to the people living on that street. The name means nothing to me and if I noticed it at all, I didn't remember it.

The whole point of that story is to say that my "reasonable" might not match the next guy's. I can envision conversations much like this in the jury room.
Click to expand...

I had to laugh when you clarified that YOU, and not your Great Dane. :D

Do you know the 3 streets surrounding yours in your own neighborhood? Just curious...
 
triforcharity said:
No, I understand exactly what they do. They patrol the neighborhood for any suspicious activity, observe that activity, and report it to police.
Click to expand...
They do?

My neighbor has a NW sign on his window, he certainly doesn't patrol the neighborhood for suspicious activity. Generally it just means you call the police if you notice suspicious activity while going about your normal business.

Patroling the neighborhood? That would be quite unusual.
 
Maybe for your NW group, but down here, even in my semi-rural neighborhood, it's not unusual for our NW to be seen riding or walking up and down the streets on any given night. Perhaps yours is different, but that is how mine works, and I've seen the SPD recommendations for their NW programs also. And an active patrol is encouraged.
 
triforcharity said:
Maybe for your NW group, but down here, even in my semi-rural neighborhood, it's not unusual for our NW to be seen riding or walking up and down the streets on any given night. Perhaps yours is different, but that is how mine works, and I've seen the SPD recommendations for their NW programs also. And an active patrol is encouraged.
Click to expand...
Did Zimmerman patrol the neighborhood?
 
triforcharity said:
I had to laugh when you clarified that YOU, and not your Great Dane. :D

Do you know the 3 streets surrounding yours in your own neighborhood? Just curious...
Click to expand...

Yep. That's the only one I don't know. I think it has to do with giving directions to other people. I hardly ever give directions to my dog though. I asked my wife and she didn't know it either, but said, "I think it's some guy's name -- the guy who built the sub-division. Maybe Nichols or Nickolas." (I looked on Google, it's called "Jordan's Way.")

Where I've run into this a few times was sub-divisions and trailer parks. (I live in a more traditional layout). I used to drive a tow truck and getting directions in a sub-division or trailer park from residents hardly ever consisted of street names. They knew their address, of course, but to get to them, they would most commonly use landmarks or "turn by turn" rather than streets, even though I would ask. I assume they drove the same route home daily and traveled those same streets. Thankfully, this has been replaced by having GPS in the tow trucks.

Another failing, not really relevant here, was the inability of some to give directions using north, south, etc., instead of left and right. They didn't seem to understand that left and right change, depending on which way your are headed. Quite irritating.

What's worse though, is that people would be happy to guess when asked. "Are you north-bound or south-bound on the expressway?" They'd answer, but then to double check, we'd always ask them where they started and where they were headed (since we knew the area and could translate that into north or south bound). There was often a mismatch, so if you didn't double check, you'd end up on the wrong side of the expressway and add a mile or two until you could turn back around.
 
Last edited:
marplots said:
Yep. That's the only one I don't know. I think it has to do with giving directions to other people. I hardly ever give directions to my dog though. I asked my wife and she didn't know it either, but said, "I think it's some guy's name -- the guy who built the sub-division. Maybe Nichols or Nickolas." (I looked on Google, it's called "Jordan's Way.")
Click to expand...

Ok, so the three in your neighborhood you do know. Cool.

Also, if you ever start giving directions to your GD, you'd better get your head checked. :D

marplots said:
Where I've run into this a few times was sub-divisions and trailer parks. (I live in a more traditional layout). I used to drive a tow truck and getting directions in a sub-division or trailer park from residents hardly ever consisted of street names. They knew their address, of course, but to get to them, they would most commonly use landmarks or "turn by turn" rather than streets, even though I would ask. I assume they drove the same route home daily and traveled those same streets. Thankfully, this has been replaced by having GPS in the tow trucks.
Click to expand...

GPS is great, I couldn't agree more.

marplots said:
Another failing, not really relevant here, was the inability of some to give directions using north, south, etc., instead of left and right. They didn't seem to understand that left and right change, depending on which way your are headed. Quite irritating.
Click to expand...

Imagine a panicked caller to 911... Even worse!

marplots said:
What's worse though, is that people would be happy to guess when asked. "Are you north-bound or south-bound on the expressway?" They'd answer, but then to double check, we'd always ask them where they started and where they were headed (since we knew the area and could translate that into north or south bound). There was often a mismatch, so if you didn't double check, you'd end up on the wrong side of the expressway and add a mile or two until you could turn back around.
Click to expand...

Been there, done that. We usually just cut across the median if we can.
 
The case against Zimmerman is headed south fast, IMO. I would explain why, but it would just result in another invitation to head to the CT thread, which I find really annoying.
 
GWCarver said:
The case against Zimmerman is headed south fast, IMO. I would explain why, but it would just result in another invitation to head to the CT thread, which I find really annoying.
Click to expand...

This type of argument is very compelling. I predict that a huge number of people are now going to be convinced that GZ is not guilty of the charges....





















just kidding
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Share this page

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom