House theatrics: another repeal vote

[JoeTheJuggler]

That Kaiser poll would be a good one to analyse and use to show the misconceptions. As an added bonus they should postulate as to why the people have the misconceptions.

You mean like try to suss out where they got their misinformation from?

ETA: Also, did you mean that KFF quiz?

 

[DavidJames]

You mean like try to suss out where they got their misinformation from?

ETA: Also, did you mean that KFF quiz?

Yes, I meant the quiz.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I usually have sympathy for "hopeless votes" because sometimes it is just nice to make things official or a minority really wants an issue to break into mainstream discussion. But this is just silly. I'd argue it isn't even good theatre.

 

[Beerina]

Of course it's a game. They are aware that they can't get it through the Senate, and that even if they did (but that can't), they certainly know there's no way Obama would sign it, and they most absolutely definitely can't override a veto.

All they're doing is political theater so that they can incorporate these votes into campaign ads. It's a waste of time, especially when they've got very serious work to do.

This isn't much unlike some of the stuff the Democrats are doing in the Senate.


Pay attention to the distributions of votes in these posturing votes -- the ones who tend to switch sides from "their party", the numbers, this tells you a lot more about where the country is.

 

[eeyore1954]

Didja hear Romney was booed during his speach to NAACP when he mentioned repealing "Obamacare"? It won't take much more of this juvenile grandstanding until the entire electorate is completely disgusted with the topic.

We are paying these blowhards good money to waste our money and annoy us at the same time. This is unsustainable.

I don't see what this has to do with this thread but from what I heard he demonstrated very little political sense in what he sais there and even less sense in how he said it.

 

[eeyore1954]

I realize that both parties do these bitchy little publicity votes all the time and it just infuriates me.

My feelings too.

 

[KDLarsen]

Yep!

The one that continues to run electioneering ads full of long debunked lies. For example: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mber-commerce-ad-attacking-tim-kaine-says-he/

I remember seeing a documentary, where the directors did a vox pop asking people who they thought the Chamber of Commerce were, and a majority appeared to believe it was something to do with the US Department of Commerce.

 

[Brown]

According to CBS News, these "theatrics" aren't cheap. They have taken up at least two full weeks of House time, they have been redundant, they have detracted from other more pressing business, and they have cost the taxpayers about fifty million dollars.

For nothing.

From the party that bills itself as fiscally responsible.

If these yellow-stripes want to spend their own money (or their faceless supporters' money) on a political message, that's one thing. But wasting taxpayer funds on this pointless exercise is, as far as I can tell, unjustifiable.

 

[NoahFence]

Are there any non-media links that show this is the 33rd time they did this? I got a guy who thinks it's not. Can't show links from CNN or MSNBC or FOX 'cuz they're teh evil media...

 

[NoahFence]

According to CBS News, these "theatrics" aren't cheap. They have taken up at least two full weeks of House time, they have been redundant, they have detracted from other more pressing business, and they have cost the taxpayers about fifty million dollars.

linkie?

That's a juicy tidbit.

 

[pgwenthold]

This isn't much unlike some of the stuff the Democrats are doing in the Senate.

The democrats in the Senate have repeatedly (say, more than 20 times) put the same issue up for a vote in the last 4 years knowing full well that it would not have a chance neither of being passed in the house or not being vetoed by the president?

Or are you using a different concept of "not much unlike" that is better described as "completely unlike"?

 

[Brown]

linkie?

Linkie.

Health Care Law Repeal Efforts By House GOP Cost Nearly $50 Million: CBS Report
...
According to a report by CBS News, these efforts, widely viewed as symbolic political maneuvers, come with a high price tag.

CBS' Nancy Cordes reported Wednesday that Republicans' many fruitless attempts at repealing the Affordable Care Act have taken up at least 80 hours of time on the House floor since 2010, amounting to two full work weeks. As the House, according to the Congressional Research Service, costs taxpayers $24 million a week to operate, those two weeks amounted to a total cost of approximately $48 million.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

According to CBS News, these "theatrics" aren't cheap. They have taken up at least two full weeks of House time, they have been redundant, they have detracted from other more pressing business, and they have cost the taxpayers about fifty million dollars.

For nothing.

From the party that bills itself as fiscally responsible.

And meanwhile, we're that much closer to the "fiscal cliff" and the next debt ceiling crisis. It's bad enough they're wasting resources and time, but they really do have a serious challenge with fairly grave consequences.

Failure to reach an agreement that deals with the long term debt crisis will lead to the automatic tax increases and spending cuts that could well send us right back into recession.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

This isn't much unlike some of the stuff the Democrats are doing in the Senate.

Evidence?

30 some votes on versions of the same bill they know had zero possibility of becoming law?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Are there any non-media links that show this is the 33rd time they did this? I got a guy who thinks it's not. Can't show links from CNN or MSNBC or FOX 'cuz they're teh evil media...

It'd take going to both the House.gov and the Senate.gov websites and doing a lot of searching.

Your guy thinks Fox News is evil too?

I would ask him if he believes Antarctica exists. He's got an epistemological problem that runs deeper than politics, I think!

 

[Biscuit]

Definitely. And I suspect his campaign was waiting for the constitutionality challenge to be resolved before hitching its wagon to the ACA horse. But now is the time for Obama to sell Obamacare. It really should be an easy sell a this point. Mostly debunking a lot of misinformation.

The ad is pretty simple. List all the individual components and the approval rating of them and then state, "in order to get these we have to have a mandate because otherwise the private insurance companies won't be able to pay their CEO's hundreds on millions in compensation. So we either get the benefits and have a mandate or we could get rid of the insurance companies, let me know."

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

The ad is pretty simple. List all the individual components and the approval rating of them and then state, "in order to get these we have to have a mandate because otherwise the private insurance companies won't be able to pay their CEO's hundreds on millions in compensation. So we either get the benefits and have a mandate or we could get rid of the insurance companies, let me know."

But what about the loss of freedoms? And . . .um. . .socialized healthcare? And. . . death panels. . and stuff?