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Homeopathy banned in the Netherlands?

Homeopaths should be free to sell their sugar pills as much as they want to, just as long as they market it as just what it is. The problem here is mainly one of false marketing.

That is the problem. Homeopaths and other anti-medicine types rabbit on about freedom of choice but are strenuously resistant to telling the facts.

And without the facts what choice is there?
 
Thanks for the correction! That's the 27 June article I meant - somehow I linked twice to the same 19 June article.

Another correction to what I wrote earlier: there has been only one court case, which ended in April, with the verdict that Rinileen had to disappear. However, the verdict also spoke about homeopathic medicine in general, and so the Minister has taken the consequence to outlaw health claims for all homeopathic medicines.

I just came back from shopping, and I looked at the shelves at the local supermarket (Albert Heijn) as well as a drug store (Kruidvat). I wanted to visit the local pharmacy too, but they're closed at 2PM on Saturdays.

I looked at the list of most popular homeopathic "medicines" from this page I mentioned earlier, as well as Rinileen, the "medicine" that the court case specifically was about. I couldn't find Alchemilla-complex, the other five were present. I only looked at the text on the packaging, I haven't opened them to see what was on the information leaflet inside.

Suprisingly, Rinileen was present in the nasal spray form. The manufacturer, VSM, has an announcement they've taken the tablets out of their catalogue, and they recommend people now to use Nisyleen instead for sinusitis. The nasal spray doesn't mention sinusitis, but it does say "to breathe more freely through the nose", and "the included Echinacea activates your immune system for a quicker recovery". Interestingly, neither variant of Rinileen is present on the current list of homeopathic medicines of the CBG, the Dutch authority on medicines.

Echinaforce mentions on its packaging: "Homeopathic medicine for a weakened immune system, for flu or the common cold"

Spiroflor: "Homeopathic medicine for use with muscle pain and joint pain, a stiff neck or back, back pain or low back pain or pain from contusion"

Nisyleen: "Homeopathic medicine for flu and common cold", and actually mentions that "The efficacy of this medicine has not been judged by the CBG on scientific criteria".

Famosan: "Menopause total", and "helps against physical problems of the menopause"

I haven't jotted down which variant of each of these "medicines" I took those slogans from: they all come in various different forms with slightly differing claims. You can download the list of registered homeopathic "medicines" at the CBG site here, and that list runs for 108 pages.

Anyway, from the above it's clear that the manufacturers still sport all kind of medicinal claims on their packaging. At the supermarket, I asked one of the employees whether she could help me with some questions - a supermarket which sells OTC drugs must have an employee with special training on staff. She couldn't answer my question whether the efficacy had been scientifically proven. I pointed specifically at the Nisyleen, and all she could do was grab the package and read the text on it. :) But it turned out she was not the one with the special training - that employee was on holiday. I tried to ask the same at the drug store, but that employee was as dumb as a brick. Her answer was "well it's herbal and stuff" - I didn't feel like correcting her. I also asked at both stores if they'd heard about the change in the rules, but no. I'll try again at the supermarket in one or two weeks when the employee with the training is back.

Good work, ddt! :cheerleader2 Thanks very much for all that effort.

Hopefully the still-remaining medical claims are just due to the shops not wanting to waste stock, and when the last batches of products are sold, the new stock will not have the misleading claims printed on them.

Hopefully.
 
or even just pills that have been in the same room as other pills which have touched the water.
Wow! I didn't know that trick! Still, I imagine it really is just as effective as any other method for adding "memory" to something. I mean, you can't really claim that this is the step where they lose credibility. :D


Check out "paper remedies".

They also work just as well as regular homoeopathic remedies.
 
Actually antibacterial cocktails are the way to combat the evolution of such. It's infinitely less likely a mutation occurs that allows a bacteria to survive two or three different antibiotics at the same time.

So...if doctors were doing it correctly, we wouldn't be in this mess. Some dork filling hisself up would use several.

Lateral transfer of plasmids means that doesn't work too well.
 
NOS news just had an item about the ban on claims on packaging.

A spokesperson working for A. Vogel (a big homeopathic producer) says (paraphrasing) that homeopathic products don't need to comply to science, but to homeopathic laws :rolleyes:

A random visitor to the gardens where the herbs are grown (she apparently lives nearby) claims that everything that comes from nearby, is always better.

Eta: Link to the video (in Dutch):

http://nos.nl/video/393221-verpakking-homeopathische-middelen-aangepast.html

Eta 2: Homeopathic gardener, when asked about a certain herb helping against burn wounds and if that claim has been scientifically proven, answers that he doesn't know if it has been proven, but when you know it helps, it has been scientifically substantiated.
 
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NOS news just had an item about the ban on claims on packaging.

A spokesperson working for A. Vogel (a big homeopathic producer) says (paraphrasing) that homeopathic products don't need to comply to science, but to homeopathic laws :rolleyes:

A random visitor to the gardens where the herbs are grown (she apparently lives nearby) claims that everything that comes from nearby, is always better.

Eta: Link to the video (in Dutch):

http://nos.nl/video/393221-verpakking-homeopathische-middelen-aangepast.html

Eta 2: Homeopathic gardener, when asked about a certain herb helping against burn wounds and if that claim has been scientifically proven, answers that he doesn't know if it has been proven, but when you know it helps, it has been scientifically substantiated.

How typical. It's the same tired old argument of:

"If it worked for me, then it worked."

"If it didn't work for you, then it didn't work... for you."


This is a step in the good direction, and I' very glad it's been taken.
 
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(paraphrasing) that homeopathic products don't need to comply to science, but to homeopathic laws :rolleyes:
...

This is a particularly irritating argument by homeopaths.

In essence, they don't have to prove anything, because they know the truth.
grrr
 
This is a particularly irritating argument by homeopaths.

In essence, they don't have to prove anything, because they know the truth.
grrr

However, they also say that science claims to know the truth, and since science doesn't know the truth, they don't know anything.

Oh irony, how I love you...
 
Is there the simple loophole of changing "Cures cancer!!" to "Many people report reduction in cancer symptoms"?
 
Check out "paper remedies".

They also work just as well as regular homoeopathic remedies.
I wrote a bit about them here: http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/you-couldnt-make-it-up-paper-remedies/

I picked out a couple of quotes from otherhealth and hpathy discussions on paper remedies. Like this one:

A word vibrates, and a word with the name of the remedies vibrates too and programms this vibration into the water. A thought is also vibration.
 
Does Deepak believe in homoeopathy? It seems such a perfect match.
Good point. I've found some links that suggest he's a fan and he did write the foreword for The Quantum Doctor: http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Docto...TF8&qid=1342037869&sr=1-1&keywords=homeopathy

Goswami boldly reinterprets the leading methods of alternative medicine -- homeopathy, Chinese medicine, acupuncture, Ayurveda, and conventional medicine in this new edition of his popular book. He shows how these seemingly different models can be combined into a new system of integrative medicine and offers profound insights into the relationship between physics and consciousness.
 

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