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Actually substances in the blood stream that the body finds need to get rid of can take one or both of two routes.
One path is filtering by the glomuari in the kidneys and passing into the urine.
The other route is metabolism in the liver and having byproducts pass along the bile duct to the small intestine

Some things go both ways, caffine for eg is metabolised in the liver but byproducts largely pass back into the blood then are excreted in urine.
Tetracycline is excreted directly in the urine to a small extent but mostly is handled by the liver and passed into the intestines.

However if a substance causes problems with the small intestine or colon one could also expect liver issues and perhaps problems along the biliary tract including the spleen
Substances that are excreted in the urine and are toxic usually cause renal issues For eg tetracycline that is past its "due date" is known to cause Franconi syndrome which selectively causes the nephrons of the kidney to basically plug up and stop allowing reuptake of such things as water, glucose, and potassium back into the bloodstream from the filtrate coming from the glomuari

Alcohol has little effect on the GI tract but can kill the liver which is responsible for turning it back into sugar(despite the fact that the liver is a rarety in that it can regrow damaged tissue, as can the intestinal linings)
Unfortunately no kidney tissue ever can regenerate as far as I know.

Diseases that medsci has no idea as to the cause, i can think of one right off the bat; monoclonal gammopathy.
This is the cloning of whole immunoglobulins and often light chain proteins which go into immunoglobulin creation. These serve no function but do cause problems by building up into amyloid plaques that can block organ function. (and is a precursor to multiple myeloma and a form of luekemia) There is no definitive cause for most cases

I don't think there is a known reason why multiple scerlosis is more common in colder climates either

Odd thing is that there are a multitude of known viral causes of disease and a great deal of medsci research as to the immune system response to many of them which allows that benign versions of viruses or just the surface proteins of them to cause exactly the same immune response as the live virus. An immune system can then be, insome cases, primed for rapid and overwhelming reponse should it be subject to the live virus
 
Actually substances in the blood stream that the body finds need to get rid of can take one or both of two routes.
One path is filtering by the glomuari in the kidneys and passing into the urine.
The other route is metabolism in the liver and having byproducts pass along the bile duct to the small intestine

Some things go both ways, caffine for eg is metabolised in the liver but byproducts largely pass back into the blood then are excreted in urine.
Tetracycline is excreted directly in the urine to a small extent but mostly is handled by the liver and passed into the intestines.

However if a substance causes problems with the small intestine or colon one could also expect liver issues and perhaps problems along the biliary tract including the spleen
Substances that are excreted in the urine and are toxic usually cause renal issues For eg tetracycline that is past its "due date" is known to cause Franconi syndrome which selectively causes the nephrons of the kidney to basically plug up and stop allowing reuptake of such things as water, glucose, and potassium back into the bloodstream from the filtrate coming from the glomuari

Alcohol has little effect on the GI tract but can kill the liver which is responsible for turning it back into sugar(despite the fact that the liver is a rarety in that it can regrow damaged tissue, as can the intestinal linings)
Unfortunately no kidney tissue ever can regenerate as far as I know.

Diseases that medsci has no idea as to the cause, i can think of one right off the bat; monoclonal gammopathy.
This is the cloning of whole immunoglobulins and often light chain proteins which go into immunoglobulin creation. These serve no function but do cause problems by building up into amyloid plaques that can block organ function. (and is a precursor to multiple myeloma and a form of luekemia) There is no definitive cause for most cases

I don't think there is a known reason why multiple scerlosis is more common in colder climates either

Odd thing is that there are a multitude of known viral causes of disease and a great deal of medsci research as to the immune system response to many of them which allows that benign versions of viruses or just the surface proteins of them to cause exactly the same immune response as the live virus. An immune system can then be, insome cases, primed for rapid and overwhelming reponse should it be subject to the live virus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield#Wakefield_response
Dr Wakefield said at the time."[44] He said, "If you give three viruses together, three live viruses, then you potentially increase the risk of an adverse event occurring, particularly when one of those viruses influences the immune system in the way that measles does."[42] He suggested parents should opt for single jabs against measles, mumps and rubella, separated by gaps of one year.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035513_Andrew_Wakefield_vaccines_autism.html
Dr. Andrew Wakefield reveals real story behind vaccines, autism and more

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 by: NaturalNews

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9262180.htm

Dr. Andrew Wakefield’s Co-Author on Controversial Lancet “MMR Paper” Exonerated of All Charges of Professional Misconduct
Prof. John Walker-Smith won his appeal today against the GMC, the UK’s medical regulatory board that had ruled against both him and Andrew Wakefield for their roles in the 1998 Lancet MMR paper, which raised questions about a link to autism. The complete victory means that Walker-Smith has been returned to the status of a fully licensed physician in the UK.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy#1998_Lancet_paper

Background
Further information: MMR vaccine safety
Concerns about the Urabe strain


The Urabe strain remains in use in a number of countries; MMR with the Urabe strain is much cheaper to manufacture than with the Jeryl Lynn strain,[30] and a strain with higher efficacy along with a somewhat higher rate of mild side effects may still have the advantage of reduced incidence of overall adverse events.[28]
Revaccination campaign

In the wake of measles outbreaks which occurred in England in 1992, and on the basis of analyses of seroepidemiological data combined with mathematical modeling, British Health authorities predicted a major resurgence of measles in school age children. Two strategies were then examined: either to target vaccination at all children without a history of prior measles vaccination or to immunize all children irrespective of vaccination history.[31] In November 1994, the latter option was chosen and a national measles and rubella vaccination campaign, described as "one of the most ambitious vaccination initiatives that Britain has undertaken" was commenced:[32] within one month, 92% of the 7.1 million schoolchildren in England aged 5–16 years received measles and rubella (MR) vaccine.[33]


The highlighted is medicine?


Italy

In 2012 a court in Italy ruled that MMR jabs caused a boy's autism. Substantial damages were also awarded to his parents from the Italian Ministry of Health. The parents are taking the case to a civil court to claim more from the Italian government.[116]
 
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The highlighted is medicine?

More medicine than Wakefield.

You know he's not allowed to practice medicine, having been found to have:

"<been> paid to conduct the study by solicitors representing parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR".

Ordered investigations "without the requisite paediatric qualifications" including colonoscopies, colon biopsies and lumbar punctures ("spinal taps") on his research subjects without the approval of his department's ethics board and contrary to the children's clinical interests, when these diagnostic tests were not indicated by the children's symptoms or medical history.

"Act[ed] 'dishonestly and irresponsibly' in failing to disclose ... how patients were recruited for the study".

"Conduct[ed] the study on a basis which was not approved by the hospital's ethics committee."

Purchased blood samples – for £5 each – from children present at his son's birthday party.

Quite the role model you've chosen there, champ.
 
Ironic that the guy he's using as support is exactly the sort of ambulance chaser he was just decrying.
I would suggest people talk to the parents of autistic children for whats what with the cause of autism. ...
Why is it that you want us to get the info from everyone except actual medical and scientific professionals?

And why are you not backing up your "gobs of stuff" comment?
 
I would suggest people talk to the parents of autistic children for whats what with the cause of autism.
Why? These parents are most likely not medical professionals or wiser on how their children are autistic.

CM said:
And of course think for yourself.

But only if we're going to agree with you?



CM said:
Then you hear another commercial soliciting sick/dying people who took a specific drug or had a specific procedure and offering legal assistance to get you the financial compensation you deserve.

You do realize those are mostly shams, right?
 
Clayton,
Have you ever considered the possibility that this is an area you simply don't know enough about yet to formulate a valid opinion? Honestly-just learn more about the basic immunology and I think a lot of your concerns will be answered.
 
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When you see the shills shilling their latest drug cure or vaccine on TV don't you kinda think Snake Oil Salesman? ....Then you hear another commercial soliciting sick/dying people who took a specific drug or had a specific procedure and offering legal assistance to get you the financial compensation you deserve.

Vaccine advertisements on the telly?
We don't get those here.
When I see magnetic bracelet adverts, however, I think Snake Oil Salesman.

Ambulance chasers?
CM, do you take ambulance chasers seriously?
How about Nigerian princes?
 
Vaccine advertisements on the telly?
We don't get those here.
When I see magnetic bracelet adverts, however, I think Snake Oil Salesman.

Ambulance chasers?
CM, do you take ambulance chasers seriously?
How about Nigerian princes?

TV ads for drugs are very common in the US, with Viagra and similar medications probably being the most advertised, but I don't believe I've ever seen vaccines advertised (except for public service announcements to get your flu shots). It is apparently a requirement for them to list side effects. I will admit that my reaction after hearing the list is usually, "I don't want any of that ****", but of course, a pretty important piece of information is missing, i.e. the frequency of those side effects.
 
TV ads for drugs are very common in the US, with Viagra and similar medications probably being the most advertised, but I don't believe I've ever seen vaccines advertised (except for public service announcements to get your flu shots). It is apparently a requirement for them to list side effects. I will admit that my reaction after hearing the list is usually, "I don't want any of that ****", but of course, a pretty important piece of information is missing, i.e. the frequency of those side effects.
I recall ads for whooping cough vaccines when i was a kid.
 
What does any of that have to do with the post of mine you quoted
Truly appears you did not even read my post

In answer to your query, yes, it in fact is! First of all it eliminates, as much as possible, the probability of missing getting protection to any child.Releying on records is akin to throwing dice as to completeness of the record.
Second it seems this plan actually follows the reccomendation of one of your own links, being the administration of a single vaccination
 
I recall ads for whooping cough vaccines when i was a kid.

Not much drug advertising in Canada except on the American channels
Please note that most drugs are NOT covered by Provincial health care programs

Many vaccines are covered but not all. I recall only American drug store chains advertising flu shots. Locally here the regional Health Unit had PSAs announcing free injection clinics. I stood in line for 45 minutes along with hundreds of others for my shot one year when the prediction was for a particularily virulent strain (popultion of this town 15k, and this was one of a few dozen clinics held) No doctor got a penny for this since the only doctors used were salaried HU employees. Several nurses got extra cash by answering the call for temporary work at these clinics
 
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TV ads for drugs are very common in the US, with Viagra and similar medications probably being the most advertised, but I don't believe I've ever seen vaccines advertised (except for public service announcements to get your flu shots). It is apparently a requirement for them to list side effects. I will admit that my reaction after hearing the list is usually, "I don't want any of that ****", but of course, a pretty important piece of information is missing, i.e. the frequency of those side effects.

The latest I've seen on TV is the shingles vaccine.
 
Not much drug advertising in Canada except on the American channels
Please note that most drugs are NOT covered by Provincial health care programs

Many vaccines are covered but not all. I recall only American drug store chains advertising flu shots. Locally here the regional Health Unit had PSAs announcing free injection clinics. I stood in line for 45 minutes along with hundreds of others for my shot one year when the prediction was for a particularily virulent strain (popultion of this town 15k, and this was one of a few dozen clinics held) No doctor got a penny for this since the only doctors used were salaried HU employees. Several nurses got extra cash by answering the call for temporary work at these clinics

Actually, PSA is a better term. The one I'm thinking about was C3PO & R2D2 talking about immunizations.

ETA: This one.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ZD9RcC8P0
 
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http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

Despite all the lies and deceit by health official worldwide, the question “do vaccines cause autism” was answered after the Hannah Poling story broke in the USA in February 2008 [see CHS article here]. Hannah developed an autistic condition after 9 vaccines administered the same day. Under the media spotlight numerous US health officials and agencies conceded on broadcast US nationwide TV news from CBS and CNN. Full details with links to the original sources can be found in this CHS article: Vaccination Causes Autism – Say US Government & Merck’s Director of Vaccines.


http://childhealthsafety.wordpress....y-us-government-merck’s-director-of vaccines/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh-nkD5LSIg&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV3HFakEL-U&feature=watch_response
 
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