Islamophobia the socially acceptable hatred?

Hercules Rockefeller said:
I really don't like that my country suddenly has to thwart more than one terrorist attack because of some BS Muhammed drawings. If that doesn't show that Islam pose a threat I don't know what does?
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Since my country has experienced terrorism done by a Christian, I should feel that Christianity poses a threat?
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
You should be afraid of all religious fanaticism. There's also a difference between a lone nutter and organized terrorism.
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There´s also a difference between a lone nutter - or organized terrorism - and a religion consisting of over 1 billion innocent people.

But, apparently, minor details like that don´t count when there´s hatred to indulge in.
 
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Chaos said:
There´s also a difference between a lone nutter - or organized terrorism - and a religion consisting of over 1 billion innocent people.

But, apparently, minor details like that don´t count when there´s hatred to indulge in.
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Yes, let's skip the rational discussion and go right to the hyperbole. :rolleyes:
The fact is still that religion and terrorism are linked and in this case found the way to my country. I don't think there's a positive angle to that.
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
The fact is still that religion and terrorism are linked and in this case found the way to my country. I don't think there's a positive angle to that.
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No, there aren't any positive angles to that.

However, that doesn't make it right to blame all Muslims for it, no more than it's right to blame all Christians for Anders Breivik, Timothy McVeigh or the IRA. Or all Hindus for the Tamil Tigers, for that matter.
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
Yes, let's skip the rational discussion and go right to the hyperbole. :rolleyes:
The fact is still that religion and terrorism are linked and in this case found the way to my country. I don't think there's a positive angle to that.
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terrorism is linked to humans.
 
Ryokan said:
No, there aren't any positive angles to that.

However, that doesn't make it right to blame all Muslims for it, no more than it's right to blame all Christians for Anders Breivik, Timothy McVeigh or the IRA. Or all Hindus for the Tamil Tigers, for that matter.
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I never said I blame all Muslims for it? I still don't like Islam as I don't like any religion, but right now it's pretty much the only one linked to terrorism where I live. I believe I feel no different about it than had it been American bible belters planning a massacre on Jyllands Posten (the newspaper that printed the Muhammed Drawings.)
 
Hercules Rockefeller said:
I never said I blame all Muslims for it? I still don't like Islam as I don't like any religion, but right now it's pretty much the only one linked to terrorism where I live. I believe I feel no different about it than had it been American bible belters planning a massacre on Jyllands Posten (the newspaper that printed the Muhammed Drawings.)
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Newspapers in my country have been threatened for printing those too. And Norwegian embassies burned to the ground because of it. But how on Earth this is linked to my Bosnian neighbour or the guys running the Turkish pizza restaurant across the street from me is beyond me.

If you're not blaming all Muslims for these actions, what do you mean by Islam being 'linked' to terrorism? And how is that not painting all Muslims with the brush of terrorism? You can't say they're linked to terrorism, and at the same time say you don't put any blame on them.

You're a white European from a culturally Christian country, so why shouldn't I link you to terrorism via Anders Breivik, considering where I live? Do you feel that link would be fair?
 
Ryokan said:
Newspapers in my country have been threatened for printing those too. And Norwegian embassies burned to the ground because of it. But how on Earth this is linked to my Bosnian neighbour or the guys running the Turkish pizza restaurant across the street from me is beyond me.

If you're not blaming all Muslims for these actions, what do you mean by Islam being 'linked' to terrorism? And how is that not painting all Muslims with the brush of terrorism? You can't say they're linked to terrorism, and at the same time say you don't put any blame on them.

You're a white European from a culturally Christian country, so why shouldn't I link you to terrorism via Anders Breivik, considering where I live? Do you feel that link would be fair?
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Do I really have to explain how Islam is linked to terrorism? My point is that religion is at best neutral and I really don't see that Islam has brought anything good to society where I live. Some Muslims have, absolutely, but not because of their religion. Do you see the differnce?

Hilited part: No, cause I'm not religious.
 
Ryokan said:
Newspapers in my country have been threatened for printing those too. And Norwegian embassies burned to the ground because of it. But how on Earth this is linked to my Bosnian neighbour or the guys running the Turkish pizza restaurant across the street from me is beyond me.

If you're not blaming all Muslims for these actions, what do you mean by Islam being 'linked' to terrorism? And how is that not painting all Muslims with the brush of terrorism? You can't say they're linked to terrorism, and at the same time say you don't put any blame on them.

You're a white European from a culturally Christian country, so why shouldn't I link you to terrorism via Anders Breivik, considering where I live? Do you feel that link would be fair?
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You seem to not understand the difference between Islam and Muslims. To support your argument that Islam and terrorism are not linked you would need to demonstrate that no act of terrorism has ever been carried out in the name of Islam. This is demonstrable nonsense and proven as such on a day-to-day basis. You don't even need to speculate on the link because in many cases it's given to you by the perpetrators of the act. If a fatwa is drawn up against a person for insulting the prophet and that person is then beheaded in the street by a Muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar" then I challenge you to disprove the link between Islam and the ensuing murder. Arguments of wider Muslim support and misinterpretation of scripture can all be had but they are necessarily subsequent to acceptance of the blatantly obvious, that Islam and terrorism are linked. This holds true for all religions.
 
baron said:
You seem to not understand the difference between Islam and Muslims. To support your argument that Islam and terrorism are not linked you would need to demonstrate that no act of terrorism has ever been carried out in the name of Islam. This is demonstrable nonsense and proven as such on a day-to-day basis. You don't even need to speculate on the link because in many cases it's given to you by the perpetrators of the act. If a fatwa is drawn up against a person for insulting the prophet and that person is then beheaded in the street by a Muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar" then I challenge you to disprove the link between Islam and the ensuing murder. Arguments of wider Muslim support and misinterpretation of scripture can all be had but they are necessarily subsequent to acceptance of the blatantly obvious, that Islam and terrorism are linked. This holds true for all religions.
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what does it say about Islam when a few nuts claim to do their crimes in the name of Islam?
what does it say about enviromentalism when a few nuts claim to do their crimes in the name of enviromentalism?

terrorism is linked to many things. and in every case, it is linked to humans. what does that say about humans?
 
DC said:
what does it say about Islam when a few nuts claim to do their crimes in the name of Islam?
what does it say about enviromentalism when a few nuts claim to do their crimes in the name of enviromentalism?

terrorism is linked to many things. and in every case, it is linked to humans. what does that say about humans?
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We can try and turn it around. How do you think Islam is making a positive contribution to modern society?
 
DC said:
what does it say about Islam when a few nuts claim to do their crimes in the name of Islam?
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So you agree there's a link? If there is no link then your question doesn't make sense.

And I think you need to define what you mean by "a few nuts". I have no figures for the number of Islamic terrorists worldwide but consider this; in one single country (Pakistan), in the past ten years alone, 25,000 Islamic terrorists have been killed by armed forces. That's just killed, not in existence, so we can assume the latter figure is orders of magnitudes higher. Extrapolating that figure across Afghanistan and Africa and other Islamic terrorism hotbeds and I get to thinking your definition of 'a few' does not coincide with mine.

But as I said this is not relevant to my argument, which is that a clear link exists.

DC said:
what does it say about enviromentalism when a few nuts claim to do their crimes in the name of enviromentalism?
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If this is true then there is a link between the environmental movement and violence. The analogy to Islam tends to stop there, however, as to my knowledge there is no doctrine of environmentalism that can be assessed for culpability.

DC said:
terrorism is linked to many things. and in every case, it is linked to humans. what does that say about humans?
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Nothing of relevance.
 
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