Islamophobia the socially acceptable hatred?

zeggman said:
Just looked it up here, Switzerland 5.7% Muslim, United States 0.8% Muslim.

I hope I don't have to eat my words if our percentage gets as high as yours.
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well i have no problem at all. and i am currently living in a part of my city that has more than 50% foreigners. so i guess the percentage of muslims around me is even a bit higher. and i am an open Atheist well i dont run around and yell around that i am an atheist. but if the topic comes to that i always said that i am an atheist, and never met a muslim that had a problem with it. but i generally dont tend to hang around with fundis of any faith :D
 
Dcdrac said:
I am in the UK and I am glad we do not have such crazy laws here but suspect it is only a matter of time before it is pushed for at some point in the future given the current climate.
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Why do you think that? Something must have prompted you to make the statement that Muslims are excluded from national life and are suffering stringent restrictions. Give some examples of how this is manifest in the UK.
 
Loss Leader said:
Is it more than sixteen million? Because that would be 1% of the world's Muslims.
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that it's only 2 million. Does that number fail to clear the bar for being considered "lots"?
 
Dcdrac said:
My personal position on religion is I am am an aethiast however I respect the right of those who are religious to express their beleif on the provisio they do not force it on to me or others.

This runs for Christians, jews, Muslims, Hindus, Bhuddists, pagans et al.

Now it strikes me that currently islamphobia has become a socially acceptable form of hatred, this troubles me deeply how far are we away from placing increasingly stringent restrictions on Muslims and even possibly excluding them from national life in whatever polities and communiteis they happen to reside in.

I fully expect to get flamed about this but the degradation of one persons freedom leads ultimatly to the degradation of my freedom.
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I agree. Here in the U.S. there is a disturbing trend to attribute to all Muslims what people are seeing on the international news. A while back, I asked someone to imagine that Eric Robert Rudolph, who planted the bomb at the Olympic Games, had done so not in Atlanta, but rather in, say, Kuala Lumpur, and that he had succeeded in killing a large number of people. Imagine then that the Muslim population acted as though his actions were representative of the majority of Christians and treated them accordingly.
 
zeggman said:
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that it's only 2 million. Does that number fail to clear the bar for being considered "lots"?
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It is a lot when compared to zero. It is small when compared to 1 billion.
 
baron said:
Why do you think that? Something must have prompted you to make the statement that Muslims are excluded from national life and are suffering stringent restrictions. Give some examples of how this is manifest in the UK.
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I said I am glad we do not have such crazy laws as you find in France and Belgium stating what people can and cnanot wear in public.

I did not say the UK has such laws I am glad we do not and remain a free society.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/10/stand-mehdi-hasan-torrent-islamophobic-abuse
 
Dcdrac said:
I said I am glad we do not have such crazy laws as you find in France and Belgium stating what people can and cnanot wear in public.

I did not say the UK has such laws I am glad we do not and remain a free society.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/10/stand-mehdi-hasan-torrent-islamophobic-abuse
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But you did say "this troubles me deeply how far are we away from placing increasingly stringent restrictions on Muslims and even possibly excluding them from national life..." The word increasingly suggests that stringent restrictions are already in place and your vision of their exclusion from society must have been prompted by more than an empty apologist whinge concerning professional victim Medhi Hasan, who believes he is a martyr to the truth because he receives a few uncultured blog comments. He should think himself lucky he isn't a critic of Islam because then he'd realise that nasty names are preferable to 24 hour security and daily death threats.
 
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Your criticism is only valid if by 'we' he means only his own country. He could be talking more generally than that.
 
I'm more scared of Muslims, because they seem more hardcore then most Christians.... especially in Europe. In the Western world it seems the only hardcore Christians seem to exist in the bible belt in the US.. there are other groups around.. every community has Mormons or jehovah witness's....... but the real hardcore type, of the western world, only seem to exist in the bible belt. Further to that, hardcore Christians in the western world argue against gay marriage.... or teaching evolution in the classrooms.... In the Muslim world I see... evolution isn't even considered and the debate seems whether or not homosexuals should be executed.

I don't hate Islam..... but I'll admit it.... I fear it more then other religions.
 
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Caper said:
I'm more scared of Muslims, because they seem more hardcore then most Christians.... especially in Europe. In the Western world it seems the only hardcore Christians seem to exist in the bible belt in the US.. there are other groups around.. every community has Mormons or jehovah witness's....... but the real hardcore type, of the western world, only seem to exist in the bible belt. Further to that, hardcore Christians in the western world argue against gay marriage.... or teaching evolution in the classrooms.... In the Muslim world I see... evolution isn't even considered and the debate seems whether or not homosexuals should be executed.
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Exactly where are you getting your knowledge on the world? Because it looks like you've picked up some bits and pieces here and just put it together according to your bigotry.

When it comes to evolution, it looks to me like they get a more thorough education on it in Iran than in the USA. I bet you're surprised to hear that. That's because you thought and spoke without considering actual facts. Sure, in some Islamic countries the theory of evolution is not accepted, or even considered heresy. In others, it's taught in schools as fact. Anyone taking that and generalizing about Islam, does so either out of ignorance or as part of an agenda.

If I were American, I would actually be very careful about criticizing a whole group of people based on their stance on evolution. How much of the population of the USA accepts evolution as a valid scientific theory? Is it a settled thing now?

As for the debate whether homosexuals should be executed or not, as a European I most often hear this debate coming from Christian agitators in the USA. Gays in the US don't exactly live a life free of bigotry and prejudgment.

That doesn't mean it doesn't exist also in the Islamic world, far from it. Iran or Saudi Arabia often makes the news when they execute homosexuals, which they do, but those are two countries. I know from personal experience that the gay scene in Turkey is active and well, and public and fabulous.

It's not the first time someone takes the worst parts of the Islamic world and compares it against the best and idealized parts of the Western world. As I said, it's either done out of ignorance, or because of an agenda. I can't say where you're coming from, but either way it's not a good thing.
 
Caper said:
I'm more scared of Muslims, because they seem more hardcore then most Christians.... especially in Europe. In the Western world it seems the only hardcore Christians seem to exist in the bible belt in the US.. there are other groups around.. every community has Mormons or jehovah witness's....... but the real hardcore type, of the western world, only seem to exist in the bible belt.
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Try living here!

In the Muslim world I see... evolution isn't even considered
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This is false. Most majority-Muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, as usual, being a glaring exception) teach evolution in schools. And not just secularized ones like Turkey, either; theocratic Iran teaches straight-up Darwinan evolution (something which Turkey's most prominent Muslim creationist, Adnan Oktar - aka Harun Yahya - has angrily criticised).

and the debate seems whether or not homosexuals should be executed.
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Again, that's far from universal. Most Muslim countries are far behind when it comes to LGBTQ rights (and, sadly, are not getting much better thanks to Saudi influence), but execution is only the penalty in the most extreme. The largest LGBTQ film festival in Asia, for instance, is held in Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation in the world and where homosexuality is not officially illegal (though gay Indonesians suffer from it being a sometimes violently-opposed social taboo).
 
I know folks that hate muslims, and have never met one.

I know folks that hate gays, and have never (afatk) met one.

I know folks that hate "rednecks," and have never lived in or visited the south.

I know folks that hate Californians, and don't want to have anything to do with them.

All of the above feel entitled to express their prejudice in public.

In my world view, there are ******** and non-********, and nobody has a monoply on virtue.
 
Caper said:
I'm more scared of Muslims, because they seem more hardcore then most Christians.... especially in Europe. In the Western world it seems the only hardcore Christians seem to exist in the bible belt in the US.. there are other groups around.. every community has Mormons or jehovah witness's....... but the real hardcore type, of the western world, only seem to exist in the bible belt. Further to that, hardcore Christians in the western world argue against gay marriage.... or teaching evolution in the classrooms.... In the Muslim world I see... evolution isn't even considered and the debate seems whether or not homosexuals should be executed.

I don't hate Islam..... but I'll admit it.... I fear it more then other religions.
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afaik there is also debate about evolution in muslim countries. in Saudi Arabia its not in schoolbooks, merely the claims that its wrong because the Koran tells a different story. In Iran however, its in schoolbooks of public schools on different levels and no young earth creatardism.
 
Dcdrac said:
Isamophobia the socially acceptable hatred?
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No. Go around proclaiming you hate the Institute of Structural Macrokinetics and Materials Science (Russian Academy of Sciences), and people will look at you like you are a crazy person.
 
ANTPogo said:
Try living here!



This is false. Most majority-Muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, as usual, being a glaring exception) teach evolution in schools. And not just secularized ones like Turkey, either; theocratic Iran teaches straight-up Darwinan evolution (something which Turkey's most prominent Muslim creationist, Adnan Oktar - aka Harun Yahya - has angrily criticised).



Again, that's far from universal. Most Muslim countries are far behind when it comes to LGBTQ rights (and, sadly, are not getting much better thanks to Saudi influence), but execution is only the penalty in the most extreme. The largest LGBTQ film festival in Asia, for instance, is held in Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation in the world and where homosexuality is not officially illegal (though gay Indonesians suffer from it being a sometimes violently-opposed social taboo).
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Thanks for some corrections.
 
I really don't like that my country suddenly has to thwart more than one terrorist attack because of some BS Muhammed drawings. If that doesn't show that Islam pose a threat I don't know what does? I don't hate Islam more than any other religion, but living in a place where such nonsense was largely rendered irrelevant, it really sucks suddenly having to deal with the sensitivities of god botherers.

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