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[Marcus]

These are the first three examples I was able to dig up.

Good for you. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if you're right. However my money's on him disappearing.

Assuming he doesn't disappear, will PC admit that the medium he has devoted time and money to is a fraud? Or will his belief in her continue, she was channeling a god but it turned out to be a "false" god, poor thing. Or perhaps it will be some variation of the "prophecies aren't 100% accurate" canard.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

No one is bashing Sabrina. We are attacking (or as I prefer to say "challenging") her claim.

Again, you seem to think some set of religious beliefs (or claims about them) are beyond criticism. Why is this?

Sabrina's claim consisted of a description of some of the properties of the god she believes in. She didn't actually claim that this god exists or that we should believe in it.

So, since her claim only concerns how that god would act, what part of her actual claim are you challenging?

 

[Explorer]

It's not the challenging of claims that is the problem, it is the fact that you seem to think that just because you don't believe you can aggressively challenge anyone you like any time you like whether the challenge is part of the debate or a derailing sideshow.

If you do believe and agree, why would want you want to challenge anyway? You are stating the obvious.

Nobody has been aggressive on this thread to date, or derailed anything. We are all waiting for the last Wednesday of July to pass, and in the meantime entering into a general debate around the subject matter.

If anyone is doing anything against the rules, there are moderators to control and rebuke, and no other self-appointed thread policeman, however, well meaning, are necessary.

 

[tsig]

It's not the challenging of claims that is the problem, it is the fact that you seem to think that just because you don't believe you can aggressively challenge anyone you like any time you like whether the challenge is part of the debate or a derailing sideshow.

So her remarks where fine but questioning them is a derail, looks like a double standard to me.


BTW: The sunlight reflecting off your white armor is quite blinding.

 

[Dcdrac]

One of the busiest sections of the A12 main road in East London will be down to one lane becasue of the Offical Oylmpics lane thats nuts

 

[Akhenaten]

One of the busiest sections of the A12 main road in East London will be down to one lane becasue of the Offical Oylmpics lane thats nuts

Can't the more well-balanced lanes persuade it to behave itself until after the Games?

 

[Akhenaten]

If that were the case, there would be one monotheistic religion and peace on earth.

I've been trying to tell people that for 3½ millennia, but they never listen.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Assuming he doesn't disappear, will PC admit that the medium he has devoted time and money to is a fraud? Or will his belief in her continue, she was channeling a god but it turned out to be a "false" god, poor thing. Or perhaps it will be some variation of the "prophecies aren't 100% accurate" canard.

I'm betting on the "we prayed so hard that God decided to let us off this time" defense.

 

[abaddon]

In defense of Sabrina, She has made no claim, except to her own belief. No demands for compliance, or agreement or anything at all.

Sabrina simply contrasted her belief with the claimants. Seems fair game to me even though I am an atheist.

The claimant (PC) is making some claims, which, AFAIK, most here find to be outlandish, unevidenced, and utterly without merit.

Sabrina came in and contrasted her beliefs with his/hers, and I have no issue with that. She is not the one making claims. Nor are Sabrina's beliefs the topic of the thread. Stick to the PeaceCrusader original claim, stay on topic, and bluntly, leave Sabrina alone.

She is free to believe whatever she wishes.

In the unlikely event that Sabrina comes here making wild claims, then sure, have at it.

 

[Sabrina]

In the unlikely event that Sabrina comes here making wild claims, then sure, have at it.

It would be a cold day in non-existent hell before I do that, to be honest.

And thank you, incidentally. I appreciate your words.

 

[Explorer]

In defense of Sabrina, She has made no claim, except to her own belief. No demands for compliance, or agreement or anything at all.

Sabrina simply contrasted her belief with the claimants. Seems fair game to me even though I am an atheist.

The claimant (PC) is making some claims, which, AFAIK, most here find to be outlandish, unevidenced, and utterly without merit.

Sabrina came in and contrasted her beliefs with his/hers, and I have no issue with that. She is not the one making claims. Nor are Sabrina's beliefs the topic of the thread. Stick to the PeaceCrusader original claim, stay on topic, and bluntly, leave Sabrina alone.

She is free to believe whatever she wishes.

In the unlikely event that Sabrina comes here making wild claims, then sure, have at it.

Who ever said she wasn't free to believe what she wants?

Peace Crusader has put his head on the block, made claims that will be tested very soon. Sabrina has made a claim, in essence her god is better than PCs. I and several other members here, beg to differ, and the only difference between her and PC, is that she is not going to put her head on the block with any ill advised prophecies.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Another Wednesday has begun in over Manila, and so far no nukes.

I can't hear any of the 200 million Chinese burrowing under my feet with lasers either.
Earlier I thought something was raining from the skies, but it was just rain.

Crazy old lady is lining up for another failure.

 

[abaddon]

Who ever said she wasn't free to believe what she wants?

Peace Crusader has put his head on the block, made claims that will be tested very soon. Sabrina has made a claim, in essence her god is better than PCs. I and several other members here, beg to differ, and the only difference between her and PC, is that she is not going to put her head on the block with any ill advised prophecies.

Arguably all true. But a diversion into what Sabrina may or may not believe is way off topic.

This thread is about Peace's claims, not anyone else's.

Look, I am not going to venture into there, suffice it to say that we disagree on a minor point of no consequence to the thread at hand. If you want to make it into a larger issue, that's your issue. Yet still OT.

I have no axe to grind with you.

Unless you insist on inserting an axe where none is required.

 

[SezMe]

These are the first three examples I was able to dig up.

The problem is that he says he will admit that he was not following The One True God^TM but he says nothing about what the status of the old lady will be in his eyes. I actually think an outcome in which he continues to seek his One True God^TM is not all that bad. It's what millions do with not much harm as long as it remains a personal quest. What would be frustrating and a real lose of opportunity would be if he still listens to, subscribes to or even keeps seeing the old crone.

PeaceCrusader, I know that you have stated you will admit that you were wrong and following a false god if events don't come to pass as predicted. Good for you. But you have not stated what your attitude will be regarding the old lady. So let me ask you a simple question that can be answered yes or no:

Will you completely abandon the old lady if your (her) predictions don't come true?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Since PC announced that he would renounce his beliefs in this lady if her prophesy (or the prophesy she claims to be a conduit for) is proven wrong, I've lost count of the number of times that people repeated demands that he do exactly that.

I've been asking him to commit to admitting that he himself is wrong (and I can quote claims that he himself has made that will be falsified). My requests have been completely ignored, as have my questions about logical inconsistencies in his claims.

And I don't think he has said he'll renounce beliefs in this medium. He said he would admit that what he thought was the true god (or Holy Spirit--presumably one and the same entity) is not, and that he would continue looking for that entity. Unless I missed it, I don't think he has ruled out looking for communication from that "true" entity via the same medium.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

The problem is that he says he will admit that he was not following The One True God^TM but he says nothing about what the status of the old lady will be in his eyes.

Dang it--I swear I hadn't read your post before I made my previous. GMTA.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

She is free to believe whatever she wishes.

No one questions that freedom.

But is she immune from having her claims about her beliefs challenged or criticized?

Seems to me the closest thing to support for that notion is that it's off topic for this thread (though that degree of thread drift is almost certainly tolerable)--and that's really a different position. The proposition that her claim shouldn't be challenged in this thread is very different from the proposition that her claim shouldn't be challenged.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

In the unlikely event that Sabrina comes here making wild claims, then sure, have at it.

That's just question begging. I think it is a wild claim she made:

My sole purpose in bringing them up was to showcase the vast difference between PC's God and mine,

So it's fair to challenge the claim that there is a vast difference between two entities for whose existence there is no evidence?

[ETA: Or must we first debate whether the claim is sufficiently "wild"? Since your assertion that she made no such claim is only question begging, I think it's clear that criticism of the claim, and criticism of the claim's "wildness" is pretty much the same thing. To clarify: challenging whether her belief in god is vastly different from PC's belief in god is pretty much the same question as whether or not her claim about her belief in god relative to PC's is as "wild" as PC's claims.]

Just to test what sort of claim is "wild"--do you consider Carl Sagan's garage dragon to be a wild claim? It shares much with the two god claims. All 3 are purported to be entities that are invisible, massless, odorless, etc. In fact, there is no measure you can take that would look different than if the entity in question didn't exist.

In my opinion, and for the very reason stated (that they share the characteristic of making no measurable difference than if they did not exist), those are 3 equally "wild" claims.

 

[George 152]

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You may or may not read them. I believe that this dispute is what the Holy Spirit who we talk to is referring to – the dispute at the South China Sea where the nuclear World War III would start. We just have two Wednesdays left – today, 2012-07-04, and next, 2012-07-11. Which one will it be? I firmly believe that it will be one of these dates.

Well it certainly isn't this Wednesday and I very much doubt that it's going to be next Wednesday..
So when are you going to run away?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

If every nuclear missile were launched in one exchange, meaning no stopping to re-arm every so often, it would take probably less than an hour. Communication is fairly instant, and missile detection technology is significantly better now than it was when the phrase "four minute warning" was coined.

As for asking if the Russians will launch their nukes...seriously? Which countries do you think will get involved? Here's a big clue for you, if Russia don't that's almost half of the world's nuclear weapons not taking part. How long do you think it takes to order a simultaneous nuclear launch? I don't know myself but I'm guessing given that the control codes need to be given correctly somewhere in the region of half an hour. Maybe.

Again for PC.