Moderated Will the 2012 Olympic Games in London be held?

[tsig]

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@The Central Scrutinizer, #1090

Do not expect me to upload on YouTube the interpretative dance you are talking about. You may do it if you wish.

Will you believe in the Holy Spirit when His prophecies of a world war happening on either 2012-07-11 or 2012-07-18, and the 2012 Olympic Games in London is cancelled, because of this war?

666

The fate of a race of hairless monkeys on the third planet from a star in the spiral arm of an ordinary galaxy is of no consequence to the universe.

 

[Explorer]

Highway 61 Revisited


Then you either don't think very well or you are deliberately conflating deism and apocalyptic prophesy.

You are entitled to your opinion in a trolling sort of way

Belief and certainty are not the same thing.

Get away!

You genuinely get brave and honest from reading PCs posts?

Comparatively. Surely an intelligent person like yourself should have realised that qualification without need for further comment.

You don't appear to be aware of the religious notion being referred to.

Fully aware thanks.

 

[tsig]

Do you understand that she is a woman who spouts total nonsense? How much do you pay for a séance with her?

I'm sure that what he gains is priceless.

 

[Border Reiver]

1123.6536.5321

"Progress reports arriving. The farms of Aerolon are burning. The beaches of Canceron are burning. The plains of Leonis are burning. The jungles of Scorpia are burning. The pastures of Tauron are burning. The harbors of Picon are burning. The cities of Caprica are burning. The oceans of Aquaria are burning. The courthouses of Libran are burning. The forests of Virgon are burning. The Colonies of Man lie trampled at our feet."

Will Bob Dylan save us from the coming war?

Bill Adama and Laura Roslin will save us from the aftermath however.

 

[tsig]

To help this out, I'll put up $1000 to the charitable (or better relief) organization of PC's choice if the Olympics are cancelled due to nuclear war (and I survive long enough to do so).

54 40 or fight

I'll pledge my life, my fortune and my sacred honor.

 

[tsig]

No, but he'll sing ''Talkin' World War Three Blues'' for us.

7 come 11

I'll let you be in my dream if you let me be in yours.

 

[tsig]

Really, "peace crusader" is an oxymoron by itself, regardless of what he posts.

Seven Sacraments

It's very Christian.

"Kill them all, god will know his own".

 

[tsig]

If the bombs drop and the Olympics are cancelled, it still doesn't prove that there exists a Holy Spirit and One True God. It, at best, is evidence that PeaceCrusader's human "medium" has good insight concerning the geopolitical climate and where it might lead.

Proving that this person channeled the supernatural being that PeaceCrusader calls the Holy Spirit is something else entirely.

23 skidoo

If the bombs drop the human race will be cancelled.

 

[Paul]

You are entitled to your opinion in a trolling sort of way

Accusations of trolling from someone who's only reason for a post appears to insult another poster who isn't even the subject of the thread?

Get away!

You seemed to be having trouble separating the two so I though I would help.

Comparatively. Surely an intelligent person like yourself should have realised that qualification without need for further comment.

I don't really care if you are unable to handle criticism, but don't derail this thread because of it.

Fully aware thanks.

If that is the case, your post must have been deliberately provocative.

 

[Sabrina]

I don't think there is much difference between your statement above and that of PC's. You are both saying things that you purport to know about your own versions of "God".

However, at least PC is honest and brave enough to come up with something that can be largely proven or not, in a few days time. Your "free will" grant theory can never be proven in any way, at any time.

The difference between myself and PC over there is that I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone. I outlined a brief portion of them in my post only to explain to PC that whatever it is he believes is not what I believe, but I don't expect anyone else to fall in line with my beliefs, unlike him

I'm a Unitarian Universalist; one of the main tenets of that church is that we believe everyone must follow their own spiritual journey, and no one person can force their beliefs on another. So in reality, while there may be similarities between some of PC's beliefs and my own, ultimately the ginormous difference between us is that I will never try to make anyone believe what I do. I'm comfortable with my spiritual beliefs and have been for a long, long time; I mention them only when I want to make a point, and otherwise live my life the way my personal spiritual journey has led me to do. I don't feel a need to prove anything to anyone, again because my beliefs are just that; MINE, no one else's. I will try to forget that you compared me to an utter fraud in your post, but in the future, kindly remember that just because someone has a spiritual belief or beliefs doesn't automatically mean they want to get everyone to fall in line with them, 'kay?

 

[dafydd]

What is brave or honest about believing the ravings of a blind madwoman? We all know the the Olympics will take place, so I see nothing courageous about buying into the idiotic notion that the Olympics will be cancelled because WWIII is about to breakout.

 

[tsig]

The difference between myself and PC over there is that I don't try to force my beliefs on anyone. I outlined a brief portion of them in my post only to explain to PC that whatever it is he believes is not what I believe, but I don't expect anyone else to fall in line with my beliefs, unlike him

I'm a Unitarian Universalist; one of the main tenets of that church is that we believe everyone must follow their own spiritual journey, and no one person can force their beliefs on another. So in reality, while there may be similarities between some of PC's beliefs and my own, ultimately the ginormous difference between us is that I will never try to make anyone believe what I do. I'm comfortable with my spiritual beliefs and have been for a long, long time; I mention them only when I want to make a point, and otherwise live my life the way my personal spiritual journey has led me to do. I don't feel a need to prove anything to anyone, again because my beliefs are just that; MINE, no one else's. I will try to forget that you compared me to an utter fraud in your post, but in the future, kindly remember that just because someone has a spiritual belief or beliefs doesn't automatically mean they want to get everyone to fall in line with them, 'kay?

Believing in invisible beings that care about you puts you in the same church as PC you're just arguing about what pew is best.

 

[Paul]

OK, can we please stop bashing Sabrina just because she holds personal spiritual beliefs.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

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Everyone believes that.

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Ah. So perhaps it's not really that you think you know right from wrong, rather it's that you trust the ramblings of an attention-seeking batty old lady to tell you what's right and wrong.

Two more nuke-free Wednesdays and you won't have to trust her any more.

 

[tsig]

OK, can we please stop bashing Sabrina just because she holds personal spiritual beliefs.

It's OK to bash PC because of his beliefs but others are off limits?

 

[Paul]

It's OK to bash PC because of his beliefs but others are off limits?

In case you hadn't noticed, there is a difference between holding personal beliefs which you keep to yourself and seeking confrontation with apocalyptic proselytising.

If Sabrina starts a thread telling everyone she's communing with the one true holy spirit^TM and we'd better get with the program, I will question her robustly. On the other hand, everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs, even if we don't necessarily share them and as long as they remain private.

 

[Mojo]

Eighty Nine Ten

As I said, I am only echoing what the Holy Spirit said. The prophecies are His and not mine.

If His prophecy doesn't come about, will you accept that He is a false god?

 

[Sabrina]

In case you hadn't noticed, there is a difference between holding personal beliefs which you keep to yourself and seeking confrontation with apocalyptic proselytising.

If Sabrina starts a thread telling everyone she's communing with the one true holy spirit^TM and we'd better get with the program, I will question her robustly. On the other hand, everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs, even if we don't necessarily share them and as long as they remain private.

Thank you Paul. I appreciate your defense of my right to hold my own personal beliefs; it's nice to know that SOMEONE on this board accepts that.

tsig, I've had no quarrel with you in the past, so I suggest this; why don't we drop this line of discussion, since it serves no purpose in the grand scheme of this thread, and move on, okay?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Will you believe in the Holy Spirit when His prophecies of a world war happening on either 2012-07-11 or 2012-07-18, and the 2012 Olympic Games in London is cancelled, because of this war?

One is the loneliest number. . .

No, because even on the highly improbable event that global nuclear war starts on one of those dates, there would still be no reason to believe that there is anything to this Holy Spirit prophecy business. Prophecies of such things attributed to divine revelation have failed literally thousands of times. There is not a single solitary documented case where they have come true. So even if any of these extremely improbable things happened this time, it would still not be reasonable to believe your superstitious nonsense or put any credence in mythological entities.

[ETA: I refer you to a good article on coincidence or the law of truly large numbers. Since there are some 7 billion people on this planet saying all sorts of things every day, even if some very low probability coincidence like this happens, there is no reason to jump to supernatural explanations. And in my personal experience, religious nutjobs who make doomsday predictions tend to make them repeatedly, over and over, even after failure after failure. So those extremely slim odds are increased that much more.

I would further point out, though, that your prophecy doesn't even have internal logical consistency--meaning it can't possibly happen. It is not possible for global nuclear war to happen, wiping out 1/4 of the world's population and contaminating our food supply, and then we have a restored safe food supply 3 days later. It's not possible for nuclear weapons to kill one sex so selectively more than another. In fact, that part sounds like a sophomoric sexual fantasy. You should maybe try your hand--ahem--at writing comic books.]

But it doesn't matter, because world war won't happen on either of those dates, and the London Olympics will not be cancelled. So the more important question is, when that happens, will you admit that you are simply wrong?

And why, since you are wrong, will you continue looking for your "one true God" even though the thing you really believed was it, was wrong?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

In case you hadn't noticed, there is a difference between holding personal beliefs which you keep to yourself and seeking confrontation with apocalyptic proselytising.

If Sabrina starts a thread telling everyone she's communing with the one true holy spirit^TM and we'd better get with the program, I will question her robustly. On the other hand, everyone is entitled to their personal beliefs, even if we don't necessarily share them and as long as they remain private.

To put a slightly different spin on it: everyone is entitled to his or her beliefs and opinions, but no one is entitled to have his or her beliefs or opinions treated as if they were facts.

I'm with Dawkins in the idea that religious beliefs deserve no special deference and should not be insulated from critical thinking. So, if you want to discuss them with other people, then you can't ask that they be afforded any special status.

Of course, if beliefs really "remain private", the question is moot, isn't it?