As usual, your links do not say what you want us to think they say. Nick's come the closest to meaningful answer. But the first just says that historians look at pre war death rates compared to during the war death rates so....what? His last one gives his estimate but doesn't say what it's based upon. He also takes great pains in explaining how there really weren't any natural deaths of Polish Jews during the war and that Nazi policies made any Jewish deaths part and parcel of the genocide. Your answers are just Dodge City.
But if these links constitute direct answers, and everybody knows that Jews who are missing were not necessarily killed by the Nazis, why keep spamming the wheredidtheygo canard?
Actually, as usual, you are wrong on all points you try making.
The first link has Trunk detailing the fate of Jews in Lodz not according to your strawman, that historians argue the Jews either survived or were murdered by Nazis. He compares normal mortality to ghetto mortality, which included normal mortality and 'extra" mortality. That is, he accounts for natural deaths and separates them out from murders. Trunk, unsurprisingly, discusses those Jews killed in the Final Solution, Lodz Jews mainly deported to Chelmno but also, of course, to Birkenau - and the evidence, separate from his demographic points, for these deportations.
The second link has a murder victim and number of ghetto Jews in Vilna executed for crimes they committed including murder of other Jews and attempted murder of Jewish policemen. None of these people are Holocaust victims, but criminals executed for their crimes. Despite your strawman.
The third link simply states that you haven't named one historian using your false dichotomy. Which you haven't. So why, then, is it "in play"?
The fourth link speaks in part to this convoluted formulation,
Jewish soldiers killed in combat are usually not counted as holocaust victims although I'm sure sometimes they are. But according to the wheredidtheygoists, if Jewish soldiers were potential holocaust victims, they would either 1) not be killed and survive the war or 2) their deaths would not be combat related but instead would have been murder, intentionally inflicted by the Nazis because the soldier was Jewish.
But, according to me, and I've asked where deniers think Jews wound up, what you say is flat-out wrong. Because I know where these people particular people ended up, and their deaths were combat related, as Paulsson argues in the link I gave you; this is no more a mystery than where the Jews deported from Warsaw to Treblinka wound up.
But the intent of the post in this link was to show a historian describing the deaths of Jewish civilians from combat actions - and not lumping these deaths into the Final Solution, for which we have other evidence, like deportation records and death camp documents; testimonies and forensic studies.
That was because you earlier argued that
We all know that somewhere between five and six million Jews were murdered during the Nazi holocaust. . . . none of the Jews living there were among the innocent civilians who got caught in the crossfire. . . . The war had nothing to do with those deaths. It sounds stupid but that's the holocaust for ya.
Well, actually, Paulsson estimates the numbers of Jewish combatant deaths, the number of Jews killed in pogrom-style attacks, and the number of civilian Jewish deaths, that is, Jews caught in the crossfire. He carefully distinguishes among the causes of death of Jews in Warsaw - and doesn't mix these deaths in with those of Jews murdered at Treblinka as part of the Final Solution.
The link to Nick's post is probably the one he referred to unthread.
