Creationists Argue Nessie Exists

[SezMe]

Thanks, Duff.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

And look how dumb everyone is when they talk about the king lizard king. But for some reason a stupid name doesn't stop people liking tyrannosaurus Rex.

Tyrannosaurus Rex means tyrant lizard king.

 

[funk de fino]

Scotland like many countries has a lot of different accents and since there is not an "official" accent one cannot say how a particular word should be pronounced. How loch is pronounced will vary from accent to accent and I know some Scottish people who do indeed pronounce it so it sounds like "cock" in some English dialects/accent (remember how a word like "cock" sounds will also vary from accent to accent).

Find me a few Scot's who pronounce it Lock. It does not vary from accent to accent.

I suppose you also know many who say Brickt instead of Bricht.

 

[Rolfe]

I heard a story that during the war, resistance fighters in Holland would ask suspect infiltrators to say "Scheveningen". If they couldn't, they were fifth columnists. I don't really get that. Wouldn't German speakers be able to pronounce that? I can do it.

Rolfe.

 

[Warrior1461]

Creationists used to deny Dinos exist, now they accept them and claim they lived with humans.

Next up for them....evolution does exist, but only God's chosen race were descended from Adam and Eve. Chosen they mean the white ones. But the negroids all other cursed races came from apes.

Knowing the history from this particular brand of christanity, I am surprised they never said something like this decades ago. This version of religion has a racist past.

Notice how we almost never hear of Black Churches pushing the creationism in schools stuff.

 

[steve s]

Next up for them....evolution does exist,

They already admit that evolution occurs on a small scale. They call it microevolution. They have no trouble accepting that 1+1=2, but they refuse to accept that 1+1+1+1+1=5.

 

[Tricky]

Spoken by an American woman who (as I predicted here) doesn't know how to pronounce "loch".

You guys are really going out of your way here.

So if the dictionary disagrees with you, the dictionary is wrong. Uh huh.

Have you been moonlighting at Creationist websites?

 

[Wudang]

And not all English accents pronounce "lock" the same way...

The idea that there is a Scottish accent is pure nonsense just as it is pure nonsense that there is any "correct" way to pronounce a word.

I can't see the connection between this and the post it replies to.

 

[Darat]

Find me a few Scot's who pronounce it Lock. It does not vary from accent to accent.

I suppose you also know many who say Brickt instead of Bricht.

And what is the correct pronunciation of the word lock.... Oh that's right there isn't a correct pronunciation it is like the word loch it has many different but all correct pronunciation.

 

[Rolfe]

The idea that there is a Scottish accent is in much the same category as the idea that there is an English accent or an American accent. Each country's "accent" is made up of a set of regional accents and variations (you can drill right down to the idiolect if you like), and none of them is "right" in the strict sense of the term.

But at the same time we can all tell (at least with a bit of practice) whether an accent is English, or Scots, or American - that is, whether it is one of the groups of accents that make up that nation's "accent".

It's also true that some accents are more "correct" than others, socially. If you don't realise that sounding as if you come from Kelvinside is going to get you further in life than sounding as if you come from Partick, you've got a nasty shock coming to you.

I think you'd struggle to find a regional Scottish accent that pronounces "loch" with a hard K sound. You might find individuals, but I suspect there will be a specific reason for these people using a pronunciation unusual for the area.

Rolfe.

 

[Darat]

I can't see the connection between this and the post it replies to.

To be able to say loch is incorrectly pronounced if it sounds like lock requires there to be *a* pronunciation of both words. Within Scotland and England there are many different accents all of which are correct. It seems to me that some of the more northerly citizens of the UK think there is *a* Scottish and *a* English accent.

 

[The Don]

To be able to say loch is incorrectly pronounced if it sounds like lock requires there to be *a* pronunciation of both words. Within Scotland and England there are many different accents all of which are correct. It seems to me that some of the more northerly citizens of the UK think there is *a* Scottish and *a* English accent.

I wonder by how much the prevalent accent in Coldstream differs from that in Cornhill-on-Tweed as regards the pronunciation of the four-letter 'L' word.

Edited to add...

I would guess not very much (at least that's how it sounded last time I was up there)

 

[richardm]

I was thinking that actually there's no English pronunciation of "Lock" that sounds much like "Loch", but then it occurred to me that Scouse probably comes quite close to it.

 

[The Don]

I was thinking that actually there's no English pronunciation of "Lock" that sounds much like "Loch", but then it occurred to me that Scouse probably comes quite close to it.

They might get close with the 'ch' but maybe not with the 'o'

 

[Dave Rogers]

I heard a story that during the war, resistance fighters in Holland would ask suspect infiltrators to say "Scheveningen". If they couldn't, they were fifth columnists.

There's a British short propaganda film made in 1940, "Miss Grant Goes to the Door," in which two little old ladies capture a German spy after he gives himself away by pronouncing "Jarvis Cross" as "Yarvis Cross".

Dave

 

[Wudang]

To be able to say loch is incorrectly pronounced if it sounds like lock requires there to be *a* pronunciation of both words. Within Scotland and England there are many different accents all of which are correct. It seems to me that some of the more northerly citizens of the UK think there is *a* Scottish and *a* English accent.

Did you read more into "dropped" than I meant, maybe? As far as I am aware all Scots accents retain the voiceless velar fricative and use it when saying the word "loch". I can't think of one that doesn't apart possibly from a rather Anglified part of Edinburgh but I may simply not have encountered it or assumed they were English or suffered a speech impediment.
And given that I was born in Ayrshire of a Glaswegian father and a mother whose native tongue was Gaelic I'm rather aware that Scotland has more than one accent.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

There's also a "museum" or two dedicated to the Monster, I don't know what's in them as I've never stumped up to go see.

I went in one while on honeymoon up there, obviously they are not going to say, "There's no monster, thanks for coming, bye!" but they did show an interesting film showing how that are of Scotland came to be and that the formation of what became the Loch couldn't have trapped a plesiosaur population and that the loch doesn't have the food to support one anyway. It was far more balanced than I expected.

(Incidentally for anyone else who goes there on honeymoon, mistaking the model monster for your new mother-in-law does not go down too well.........)

 

[funk de fino]

And what is the correct pronunciation of the word lock.... Oh that's right there isn't a correct pronunciation it is like the word loch it has many different but all correct pronunciation.

Back up your nonsense then. Find me a Scottish accent that all that use it pronounces it LOCK.

Loch should be pronounced LOCH. Not LOCK. English doesn't have an equivalent useage of that sound, but many Europeans have similar. Bach in German. Bricht is another local word that is pronounced BRICHT. Or are you claiming it can be pronounced BRIKT? How about RICHT? Or NICHT?

 

[funk de fino]

I was thinking that actually there's no English pronunciation of "Lock" that sounds much like "Loch", but then it occurred to me that Scouse probably comes quite close to it.

Scouse use the same gutteral sounds quite a lot.

 

[xtifr]

Back up your nonsense then. Find me a Scottish accent that all that use it pronounces it LOCK.

Why are you limiting it to Scottish accents? I assure you that it's pronounced "lock" in American accents, and that's not incorrect, because the Scottish people have no authority to define how Americans pronounce words in their own language, any more than the Brits have authority to tell Americans or Scots to start dropping their 'r's.

Loch should be pronounced LOCH. Not LOCK.

You can say that all you want, but it doesn't make it true. As I mentioned earlier, we have our own Loch Lomond right here in California, and I assure you that the correct pronunciation there is "lock".

You might as well say that "Germany" is an incorrect pronunciation of "Deutschland". Scottish pronunciations of "loch" are not binding on the rest of the English-speaking world, no matter how much the Scots might wish they were.

The dictionary backs me up on this one, listing two pronunciations for the word.